http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Catholic Exchange Forums Forum: Politics en Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:15:58 +0000 http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/870#post-13646 Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:27:57 +0000 wljewell 13646@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>You mean, grump, it couldn't possibly have been God doing the talking?</p> <p>Your two 'quotes' - i.e., 'God told me ...' and '... then He instructed me ...' ring no bells from my reading. Care to cite your sources, except maybe the likes of Daily (Gross) Kos, who lie more than GWB makes mistakes?</p> <p>And, "WITH THE MIGHT OF GOD ON OUR SIDE WE WILL TRIUMPH,'SAID GEORGE BUSH" sounds more like a prayer of appeal, in hope, than egoist assurance.</p> <p>Maybe, you have some quote from Bush about the efficacy of having New Orleans, et al, wiped by Katrina? The quote originally given is right there (and, has been apologized for) by a Democratic bigwig, about God siding with the Dems by having yet another devastating hurricane that could diminish the coverage of the Republican convention. Isn't that at least beneath cynicism? </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/870#post-13645 Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:48:46 +0000 grumpybumpas 13645@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>(Seperation of church and state.)</p> <p> I believe that i am acting in accordence with the will of the allmighty creator,:Said Adolph Hitler.</p> <p> God told me to strike at Al qa'da and i struck them.</p> <p> And then he instructed me to strike Saddam,which i did.</p> <p> (WITH THE MIGHT OF GOD ON OUR SIDE WE WILL TRIUMPH,'SAID GEORGE BUSH.)</p> <p> Or was that Hitler or the devil talking 5to Bush. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/870#post-13635 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:50:16 +0000 wljewell 13635@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Though difficult for me to make out their conversation (I depended more on the print comentary), I must say that politicians of every stripe tend to indulge in 'wishful thinking', such as even seeing calamity for others as a Godsend for them. It's all part of the bloviating.</p> <p>And, of course, their egos so align with how they imagine God's must be, He just must be 'on their side', politically. The good Lord knows Himself that they can't settle on being merely spiritually in God's loving hands. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/870#post-13633 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:34:08 +0000 MREINER16 13633@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Is this outrageous or what? People In NO and the surrounding areas are about to suffer again and two US Congressman joke about it. Furthermore they blaspheme by saying God is some how doing this and shows that He is on their side-whatever that means. </p> <p>Take a look:<br /> <a href="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/absentee/2008/aug/30/fowler-fouls-hurricane-is-gods-favor-to-dem/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redstate.com/diaries/absentee/2008/aug/30/fowler-fouls-hurricane-is-gods-favor-to-dem/</a> </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/862#post-13620 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:51:20 +0000 fishman 13620@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>The question is how can we convince other catholics. How can we influence the catholic vote on this issue. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13616 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:14:46 +0000 fishman 13616@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>I really hope to see a public excommunication of Obama VP. That might just wake up a few people who are in need of it. It would be a great mercy for so many catholics as well the the man himself for the church to unambigiously send the message you can't be catholic and pro-choice.</p> <p>Barack obama killing more black babies by voting then any disease in the last 10 years. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13613 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:00:41 +0000 MREINER16 13613@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Just confirmed by all the major networks that John McCain has selected the staunchly PRO-LIFE WOMAN, 44 year old mother of 5 Sarah Palin as the next VP of the USA! What a great and historic moment for our country. Now WAKE UP Catholics and Christians- organize and get out there and start to take our country back.</p> <p>The line has been drawn: Obama-Biden supporters of the culture of death vs. McCain-Palin supporters of life and in Palin's case, a living witness in her choice to go through with her pregnancy when doctors told her her son was a Down's Syndrome Child. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13612 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:45:31 +0000 lpioch 13612@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Thanks for the headsup, MReiner16. I've been poking around to see what the scoop is. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13609 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:00:25 +0000 MREINER16 13609@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>If the rumors are true, looks like McCain has selected Alasla Gov. Sarah Palin as his VP. What a great and courageous choice- clearly showing that McCain has good <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palinjudgement" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palinjudgement</a> which the Lib Dems all week accused him of not having. Why do I say this? The link below gives you full details on thsi woman, but from the Catholic perspective her pro-life values were actually lived out by her and her husband. Their fifth child was diagnosed with Downs Syndrome while she was pregnant and she was given the option to abort. They lovingly and willingly accepted this child as a gift from God. She has turned her states economy around, fought corruption, and is staunchly right to life. Cleraly a great canbdidate in light of the so called Catholic Biden's pro-abortion stance.</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin</a> </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/868#post-13606 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:18:19 +0000 Jakes 13606@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Thanks, M16.</p> <p>Incidentally, in muddling around on one of the threads where we had both posted, I clumsily caused a post of yours and one of mine to disappear. My deep apologies to you for that glitch which I cannot reverse, as I have no copies of either of the vanished posts.</p> <p>Peace, Jakes </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/868#post-13602 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:26:28 +0000 MREINER16 13602@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>The last few days there appears to be more and more bishops commenting on so called Catholic politicians and there opposition to Cjurch teaching on abortion. I appalued them all and am very happy that my own Cardinal Archbishop Egan forcefully came out today and rebuked Pelosi for her ridiculous statement on one of the Sunday talk shows:</p> <p>"Like many other citizens of this nation, I was shocked to learn that the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America would make the kind of statements that were made to Mr. Tom Brokow of NBC-TV on Sunday, August 24, 2008. What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age.</p> <p>We are blessed in the 21st century with crystal-clear photographs and action films of the living realities within their pregnant mothers. No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb. In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons. They are not parts of their mothers, and what they are depends not at all upon the opinions of theologians of any faith. Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name."- Cardinal Egan</p> <p>Maybe, finally our shepherds are awakening and letting the World and our politicians know what the Church teaches and what is expected of all of us as Catholics. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13599 Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:05:45 +0000 Jakes 13599@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>M-16,</p> <p>Yes, the closest of our neighbors are all those in our families, which would be a chosen place to start the conscious abiding with the mandates of God's Greatest Commandment. Having a large family susceptible to current influences, there is where my natural wishes to inculcate the love intended by that Commandment lie, but, instead, I choose the Culture of Death (CoD) as the first battleground for several reasons.</p> <p>(i) The results of the love being thwarted there are most palpably<br /> evident: 3,000+ innocent human beings savagely put to death each and every day of the year, and countless mothers of them being bullied into being the instruments giving the death order - why? Because boy friends and others know who have been granted, by campassionate (ugh!) judges, the RIGHT (!!) to have their innocents cut up and discarded (perhaps after the innocents' having yielded some commercially saleable body parts to some third -fourth? - party !!!)</p> <p>(ii) Easily, people, generally, can come to understand (i), above, and in contemplating the gory results of this disobeying of God's Greatest Commandment begin to better appreciate that His COMMAND to LOVE applies, reciprocally, to all neighbors, starting right there in their own families.</p> <p>(iii) And then, it's not hard to reach the simple conclusion that by positing Love of Neighbor in His Greatest Commandment, God does not intend His Justice to be abrogated by disobeyers - any disobeyers.</p> <p>(iv) So where does that leave Americans who possess the powerful, personal leverage of voting - BUT DON'T EMPLOY IT - to help rescue both unborn human beings from brutal, arbitraryily imposed death and the mothers of so many of them terrorized into voicing the order that initiates the abortion? Best, they avoid such mind-wrenching circumstance by vigorously demonstrating LOVE by voting to rescue their neighbors!<br /> Enough votes will do it and there are plenty to be had.</p> <p>(v) This November Americans could receive a therapeutic eye-opening in a dramatic change in the politics of abortion specifically because voters put love of neighbor first. Even pro-abort politicians who excape eviction from office will read the tea leaves and see that business as usual had better be "usual" no longer. </p> <p>I'm not certain of how best to spread this message. Will you help? </p> <p>Peace,</p> <p>Jakes </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13590 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:34:59 +0000 wljewell 13590@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Catholics do seem to be moving in McCain's direction - and more may follow. But, McCain must pick a Veep candidate who is solidly pro-life, or he will negate Obama's unfortunate choice with his own.</p> <p>Jakes, I think a couple more 'outings' as Saddleback produced, and the MSM will find itself a further loser along with Obama-Biden, at the end of it all. Who will trust them? I am hoping, too, that the O-B 'coattails' will be so trimmed as to cause what would seem Democratic shoo-ins for Congress get taken down with the two ticket leaders.</p> <p>But, Catholics should learn to look to being a solid bloc for pro-life issues, and we can change the world. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13589 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:08:00 +0000 Jakes 13589@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>One hopefull liklihood is that, as these two blabbermouths spew their separate avalanches of words, the contradictions that find their ways out over the course of campaigning will be too evident for even the media to ignore.</p> <p>Peace,</p> <p>Jakes </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/866#post-13588 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:57:15 +0000 MREINER16 13588@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Obama has announced Joe Biden is his VP choice and I say what a slap in the face to Catholics. The poltical commentators say that you need to pick a person you are comfortable with. Well, Biden's anti-life stance should make Obama feel pretty good today. Although, Biden does not go as far as Obama since he is against partial birth abortion. Nonetheless, it is Joe Biden that was against everyone of the Supreme Court nominees that showed conservative and pro-life values. Can you imagine what kind of Supreme Court we might get with an Obama-Biden duo? But all of this is politics and what really irritates me is that Joe Biden and the media identify him as "Catholic". Does a Catholic support death by abortion? Does a Catholic align himself by accepting this poistion with a man who voted to deny basic medical treatment to babies born alive after botched abortions? Does a Catholic ignore the teaching of the Holy Father and bishops? NO! Joe Biden is a CINY-Catholic In Name Only. His pick by Obama is a slap in the face to Catholics who follow the teaching of the Church and remember it's not just the teaching of the Church, but the Commandments of God and the life of His Son while he was among us on Earth. I hope and pray that the our bishops will come out and forecefully let the world know that Joe Biden might call himself a Catholic, but he has excommunicated himself by his continuous and non-repentant adherence and support of abortion.</p> <p>Catholics, rise up and use your voice and vote and let the world know what a Catholic beleives in-it's not the same thing Joe Biden belives in </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/862#post-13581 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:16:04 +0000 MREINER16 13581@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>I guess that all the Christain leaders including our own bishops are afarid to speak out politically because of the tax exempt status. I don't thisnk this is a good enough excuse and I think they should speak our for what the Church and in fact really what Our Lord proclaimed while on his Earthly mission: Love one and other treat each other as you would treat yousrself. So the questions: Is abortion an act of love? Would a promoter of abortion had wanted the same thing done to him or herself? the answers are obvious and this is why I think Christian leaders need to stand up. If they are afraid of the tax issue, then just stand up in the pulpit as Father so and so or Biship so and so and as an American citizen state what the Church beleives in and let the congreagation make up its own minds. It's not like you have to endorse a partcilar candidate. But besides the leaders, each individual Catholic needs to deal with this question. I really don't understand how a Catholic can agree with abortion if they truly believe in Jesus and what his mission was and still is? </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/862#post-13580 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:02:13 +0000 wljewell 13580@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>The B.O. has thoughts - McCain is ready to act. And, over that alone, the latter has my vote. And the former will never have mine as long as he mulls when he should be in action. And, another meaning of 'mull' has it that 'to make a mull of a job is to fail to do it properly.'</p> <p>However, B.O. is so abortion-bound, captivated by NARAL and the rest, he is unlikely to ever have my vote (as he didn't, running for Senator here in Illinois).</p> <p>However, with our bishop-leaders so two-faced and mealy-mouthed about Catholics and politics, we are very unlikely to have the Catholic population wield the influence that they could being a bloc devoted to the culture of life. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/862#post-13577 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:28:27 +0000 MREINER16 13577@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>After viewing the discussion between Pastor Warren and each of the two candidates, I cannot see how a Christian and certainly Catholics can vote for Obama. The answers to the right to life questions in particular the one on when does life begin showed the stark difference between the two men. McCain said it directly, "at the moment of conception" and Obama gave a half baked answer that the answer to this question was above "his pay grade". His answer is troubling in two respects: The first that he cannot discern when life begins; the second that he can't make a decision.</p> <p>It is clear from the Catholic perspective whom the best candidate is! </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/724/page/2#post-13425 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:56 +0000 noelfitz 13425@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>I usually do not look at this forum as I concentrate on "Faith &#38; Life". </p> <p>However I see many of my friends who contribute to F&#38;L also contribute here, as issues are similar often. Pro-life issue can be in either forum.</p> <p>As neither fora have a critical mass would it be a good idea to bring fora together to increase the number of contributions and participants and get more active discusssions going.</p> <p>God bless,<br /> Noelfitz.</p> <p>______________________________________________________________<br /> IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS, IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS, IN OMNIBUS CARITAS.<br /> ______________________________________________________________ </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/724#post-13422 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:23:08 +0000 MREINER16 13422@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>do we need anymore evidence on which candidate is more close to the Catholic position on abortion? </p> <p><a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061302.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061302.html</a> </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/724#post-13418 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:06:04 +0000 fishman 13418@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>It is interesting that oboma dissolved his committee on the catholic votes because it's members received so much static from catholics and the bishops. A good thing actually I suppose. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/724#post-13400 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:42:40 +0000 MREINER16 13400@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>So now the primary season is over and it will be Obama vs. McCain. Where will the Catholic vote (if there is even such athing anymore) go? The following are quotes directly from each candidate:</p> <p>"John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench."(McCain)</p> <p>"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women. I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case." (Obama)</p> <p>So there you have it in black and white. While McCain may not be the "perfect" candidate from a Catholic perspective, his poistion seems more in line with Catholic teaching. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/828#post-13378 Fri, 30 May 2008 20:15:35 +0000 fishman 13378@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>I understand what you are saying. The reason we really need to see at least a few high profile excumunicatons is to protect the flock. We really need the bishops to send a strong message that it is NOT acceptable to privaltly ( little lone publicly, support abortion).</p> <p>A good first step would be excommunicating all polticians who claim to be catholic and pro-choice. A clear statement should be made that there simply is no such thing and that a catholic does not have right to have two seperate lives. One in the church and one outside of it. As if the church is some form of entertainment. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/828#post-13345 Thu, 22 May 2008 05:53:16 +0000 MREINER16 13345@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Fishman-Amen. I think the Holy Father himself while visiting the US alluded that he would be comfortable with a smaller flock if that flock was faithful to the teaching of Jesus Christ. Maybe we are at that point? In this age of technology, especially in the US, every adult Catholic has access to and should be aware of the teachings of the Church. Yes, the bishops must constantly remind the flock, but don't individuals also have responsibility here. If you are a pro-abortion (or as they and media like to call pro-choice Catholic), I can't imagine that they belive this is acceptable teaching of the Church. Assuming they know this to be true, then they have rejected the Church and rejected Jesus. This then becomes a personal matter for them to consider hopefully with a priest that also hopefully leads to reconciliation. But, in this sense the onus is on them as it is with any of us when we reject the Lord. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/828#post-13340 Wed, 21 May 2008 20:25:22 +0000 fishman 13340@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>the problem is that many of them are 'so called' catholics and that won't change till the bishops start excommunicating people. </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/828#post-13333 Sun, 18 May 2008 10:24:46 +0000 MREINER16 13333@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>If any Catholic has any doubt about where the presumptive Presidential Democrat nominee, Barak Obama, stands on the RTL issues, please read the article in link below. I would say he is not "pro-choice", but better decsribed as anti-life and pro-abortion. He is to the left of some of the more liberal Democrats that have positions on this issue, including HRC.</p> <p>I am amazed that somehow this man is still vying for the so called Catholic vote. </p> <p><a href="http://ncregister.com/site/article/14928/" rel="nofollow">http://ncregister.com/site/article/14928/</a> </p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/712/page/4#post-12257 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:38:58 +0000 bhokuto 12257@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Revelatons 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.<br /><br />9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. <br /><br /><br />From Fr. Gobbi,<br /><br />The water coming out of the mouth of the dragon or serpent or Lucifer or Satan, is Media, Technology, New Age, Cloning, Modernism.  The things which keep a soul from seeing God.<br /><br />we spend less time in prayer, adoration, meditation, reading and doing spirtual things, because we are debating over who to vote for.  We do the same when we watch tv, play on PS1-3, Gameboy, DVD&#39;s, etc.,.  These things have become Idols.  1 Commandment.  It doesn&#39;t seem that way because the whole world is seduced.  Dullness of spirit, due to being<br />tickled in the ear and eye by new ideas.  This is exactly what got Adam and Eve into trouble.<br />Being tickled in the ear to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.<br /><br />Whatever replaces God in your life as Numero UNO or Number ONE is an Idol.  And most of the time we do not notice it.<br /><br />The Blessed Mother in Her messages to many seers and visionaries has warned us about these things.  What is harmful to your soul. Satan works non-stop at putting forth his gospel.  What is Satans gospel?  Kill all mankind any way he can, by removing God from the soul and mind.  Through Knowledge.  The mind.  When God is at work in your life He is in your soul which His Word enlightens your mind.  Psalm 19.  When Satan is at work in your life the exact opposite occurs.  He comes to conquer your mind and than your soul making it dark and void.<br /><br />We need to vote for Life to return through anguish and prayer.  Sorrowful Mysteries  Agony in the Garden.<br /><br />Peace<br /> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/706#post-12069 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:24:08 +0000 Protect the Rock 12069@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>Whether or not an Obama presidency would be in keeping with Catholic teachings is a no-brainer question -- of course not, based on his well-established 100% support for abortion on demand, even to the point of refusing to require medical attention for babies who survive abortions. The pro-abortion policies as well as the judicial appointments from an Obama administration would be with us for decades to come.</p><p>But...</p><p>The question of &quot;whether Catholics can stomach a Barak Obama presidency&quot; is a different question, I think. A reading of Romans 13:1-6 and 1 Peter 2:13-17 should shed some light on the matter.  The Church teaches as sacred scripture demands that &quot;every soul submit to the existing authorities, since there is no authority except from God.&quot; </p><p>In fact, Saint Peter tells us in scripture that we should do so &quot;for the Lord&#39;s sake&quot; and it is God&#39;s will that by doing right we should put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. &quot;Live as free men, yet without using your freedom as a pretext for evil.&quot;  </p><p>So, yes, assuming a legitimate, free and fair election, Catholics would indeed be able to stomach an Obama presidency.</p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/706#post-12068 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:52:16 +0000 12068@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>I haven&#39;t yet read the Hudson and Kmiec comentary, and look forward to it.  Given Barak Obama&#39;s record of voting some 4-6 times against an Illinois law acknowledging that survivors of abortion procedures are indeed legal &quot;persons&quot;, I can&#39;t see how a Catholic can cast a vote for this person.  The lack of either wisdom or courage (or both) demonstrated by this position is totally inconsistent with the Catholic view of Life and it&#39;s value.  He is more concerned that Roe v. Wade be left completely untouched than he is with protecting even the lives of the born survivors of abortion.</p><p> Imagine the kind of multi-generational Supreme Court Obama would shape should he rise to the office of President.</p> http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/712/page/4#post-12256 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:11:38 +0000 Jakes 12256@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ <p>GK,</p><p>I thank you.  You are so right.  And I think I perceive that you would agree that The Great Commandment of LOVE underlies it all.</p><p>You might be interested in this take.  Fictitiously, I pose a generous grandfather and his (very young in this tale) unappreciative grandson who treats the myriad gifts he receives from Gramps so carelessly that, promptly and routinely, they become disposable wrecks or - if monitary - are wasted avariciously on junk.  &quot;Because&quot; - he tells all - &quot;Gramps will give me plenty more&quot;!  I think (and others have agreed) that even his young peers become disgusted with his unappreciativeness!</p><p>God has given the human race bounteously, a marvelous substance allowing the flourishing of humanity, which, if God were, completely at any time, to withdraw this gift, the whole human race - with unimaginably painful distress by the last lived - would disappear within one &quot;generation&quot;.  Yet we frolickingly catch this precious substance in condoms and throw it into the garbage, following which the consequences GK voices occur by the millions!</p><p>What would that selfish boy&#39;s little friends - if without first having been brainwashed by our culture of death - think of us? </p><p>&#160;</p><p>Peace,          Jakes</p>