Catholic Exchange Forums Topic: Why is there Abortions?

Catholic Exchange Forums Topic: Why is there Abortions? http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Catholic Exchange Forums Topic: Why is there Abortions? en Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:41:55 +0000 KenB on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12655 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:57:29 +0000 KenB 12655@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Since, thanks to God's help, we pro-lifers managed to squeak out a limited victory on the partial birth abortion ban, we should think about how to best move forward.I read a good article the other day on the recent supreme court ruling upholding the ban on partial birth abortions and of all things, India & China.It seems that many in the governments of those nations want to ban sonograms, because with the device parents of course can tell whether they are going to have a boy or a girl. Once the parents know they will be having a girl, they often choose to abort the baby and start over until they get a boy. Of course some officials in both governments are blaming the whole problem on General Electric, the evil capitalists who invented the sonogram machine ;) In any case, sex-selective abortions causes demographc problem for them, and at least the governments involved are aware enough to understand that.The author of the article I read mentioned that since pro-lifers were successfull in getting partial birth abortion banned mainly because it was something upon which reasonable people of all political stripes could agree, that we should follow up and consider proposing legislation that would ban aborting a child simply because it was the wrong gender or color. This sort of law would be especially auspicious if we ever manage to find a genetic marker for homosexuality.Surely reasonable people and indeed, most political action groups could agree that parents should not be allowed to abort a baby simply because it was a girl, or because a baby had a chance to be gay, or because in cases of some infidelity or other circumstance the baby was the "wrong" color. Another good example is that while mandating parental consent might be difficult in some states, legislation that mandates that parents or guardians of minors be notified either before or after the abortion would meet less opposition. Certainly reasonable people on both sides of the abortion issue would be in favor of parental notification in the case of minors.To carry the notion farther, the author mentioned for example, banning abortions for certain kinds of birth defects. This would force people to consider both a deformity and the child, but at the same time would tug at them to be merciful as well. For example, it might be possible (I do not know) to determine that an unborn baby was likely to be born deaf; if so, pro-lifers should propose legislation that would prohibit parents from aborting the baby on account of it's deafness. Is it better to kill a baby because it is deaf, or to allow it to live? Most reasonable people - along with the various political groups that lobby for the rights of the handicapped - would come down on the side of mercy; that the deaf child should be allowed to live. Along with the reasonable notions of mandating that clinics show parents the sonogram and that nurse give an explanation regarding heartbeat and general condition of baby, the idea of limiting abortions in specific cases upon which we all agree could be expanded across the wide spectrum of circumstances and disabilities until eventually, the point would be obvious that both morally and as a practical matter (i.e. the adverse psychological affects on the mother), abortion is not a viable solution to anything. This effort would involve lots of work. Someone with medical background would need to make a list of all the deformaties for which we can currently test, update that list as medical diagnostic techniques progresses, and periodically going to the trouble of developing and submitting approriate legislation.Keep in mind that orginially Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was limited; it was considered as a war measure and only applied to slaves who were slaves in the rebel states at the time of the beginning of the Civil War. However because it highlighted the truth regarding the moral bankrupcy and obvious untenability of slavery under our legal system, it was quickly expanded and all the slaves were freed, but for the first few years, it was quite limited.Of course the main thing to do is to thank God for the small victories, and keep praying! KenB on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12654 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:52:44 +0000 KenB 12654@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ I think there "are" (good catch Protect-Rock, sorry for the barb Need-Saint; could not resist ;) abortions because as a society, we somehow gave into desires we once were better able to resist. The reasons we caved in like this are probably complicated, but I think they have to do with a general notion that we are in control of everything in this world, that we are masters of our own destiny, that we should always be comfortable and not be inconvenienced, that we should get to do whatever we like, and that it is fun to live for the moment, without regard to longer term consequences.Also, it seems that prior to WW2 (approximately anyway), in general, people in the USA were comfortable with the idea that the universe was unfathomably large and complex, and Man is only a small part of it, and also, that matters of morals and truth (i.e., right and wrong) were objective; not relative. All of society understood very well that regardless of individual circumstances, certain things were at all times always right, while other things were at all times always wrong. Folks then were Ok with the notion that we lived under a system of moral laws that was imposed on us and our society from the outside, by God, via (at minimum) the Ten Commandments, and more thoroughly via the Catholic faith.Somewhere between the '50s and the '70s this began to change and now, it seems many people think truth is relative, and that right and wrong is defined not by an outside element or moral code, but by the individual. They actually believe truth and morals come from inside the heart and mind of Man, instead of from God.I do not know where I am going with all this, but I do not think these are good developments.On the brighter side of things, I am sure glad the Supreme Court ruled recently to support the ban on partial birth abortions - Yeah! <img src="/modules/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="18" height="18" /> fishman on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12653 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:29:44 +0000 fishman 12653@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Abortion = selfishness gratified. contraception = Abortion Protect the Rock on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12651 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:05:13 +0000 Protect the Rock 12651@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Not is, but are.Please. Why are there abortions? As an old CE forum poster named Jakes used to repeat:Abortion = faith lostAbortion = hope abandoned Abortion = love crushedAbortion = truth deniedPTR! fishman on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12652 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:24:28 +0000 fishman 12652@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ More prayer always good. The root of abortion is selfishness, specifically the selfishness of lust. It's deepest cure is holiness and conversion. We must all pray and pray hard for a return to modesty and true love. A law should help sinners not to sin. If we were all holy there would be no need for law or law enforcement. law is a tool of this world and should be used for the betterment of others. needasaint on "Why is there Abortions?" http://forums.catholicexchange.com/topic/737#post-12650 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:23:27 +0000 needasaint 12650@http://forums.catholicexchange.com/ Lets focus on the family.That's where the problem started. Now it's a national and world castrophe!Lack of morals, but who can decide for a family who does not know Christ?Lack of moral laws.If the laws had been moral this would have been shuned and anybody having premarital sex would have been a bad omen. Like in the old days. When man was more in touch with nature, man was more conscience of God. Since our world is mostly concrete and tar with buildings on every corner, nature is a thing of the past. Wasting precious fuels, wasting away in a building. Animals in cages, zoos, and so forth. Man and nature coexist and need one another, without this fellowship man becomes caged in his own ZOO of concrete and tar and buildings. There's something to be had, why did God create man last? He was first thing on God's mind but last in creation. Not only were we to fellowship with God but with God's creation. Natural things with Natural being ruled by the Spiritual. God living through us, through His Image. His Image being the Soul put into man, then God being in man, now can enjoy His Creations.I tell you it is best to pray for lawful men and women to take the bull by the horns. So how it is destructive? first in the family then in society. I say lawful because christians are supposed to know better and should not need to be reminded. Going to a picket line is making noise, but this war is above now, not below. Bring it before the Throne of the Almigthy, make enough noise there. He alone can change is what the Good Word says.Pharaoh King of Egypt, God hardened his heart to disallow Israel from leaving to show His Great Power! Maybe we haven't made enough noise before God to swat the little satans away?Peace be with you