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Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith

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MREINER16 - Member

I just read a very profound article on Mother Teresa in regard to a new book that is to be publsihed based upon a compiltaion of letters she wrote during the course of her life to various confessors. The link is here if anyone is interested:

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1655415,00.html

 

It really creates a whole new image of Mother; one that I think makes her canonization even more probable. As many other great saints in the past experienced, Mother clearly went through an extended period of the "dark night of the soul". In fact, it appears perhaps her entire adult life during which she accomplsihed so much happened within this dark night. Yet she responded with faith. She longed for the closeness with Jesus yet did not have it. Rather than throw her faith and mission away, she continued because she knew it was God's wish and will for her. Despite not "feeling" the bond with her Lord, she still knew it was there and continued.

 

I think we all have doubts at times and perhaps Mother's greatest legacy will be not her work with the poor but her inner struggle. I cannot wait to read the book.

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David T Garrison - Inactive

she had not anticipated that she might recapitulate the particular moment on the Cross when he asks, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" The idea that rather than a nihilistic vacuum, his felt absence might be the ordeal she had prayed for, that her perseverance in its face might echo his faith unto death on the Cross, that it might indeed be a grace, enhancing the efficacy of her calling, made sense of her pain. Neuner would later write, "It was the redeeming experience of her life when she realized that the night of her heart was the special share she had in Jesus' passion."

 

Before I had reached this conclusion in the article, I sensed it. Be careful what you pray for...

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lwall - Inactive

Thanks for directing us to the article.

A preliminary and not well considered thought: Just maybe Mother Theresa' torture stems from a certain type of her own spiritulal hubris. This constant, decades old pinning for more union, wanting more to be in His Presence, shooting for a consumate mystical experience is, at bottom, a species of spiritual sensuality. Catherine Siena alludes to this.

The Lord had given her a beautiful albeit very difficult vocation. Christ was being made present to the world by her ministry. So, what is this constant refrain of His absence? She didn't feel what? A mystical union or just what precidely was her desire being unmet?

Is this darkness - which was so pervasive over time, shocking to read, and very real - as the article suggested, really just a divine " gift abetting her call."?

 Or are we beholding in Mother the heavy spiritual dross accompanying a self-centered and exaggereated need to transcend what God has given, to reach beyond to heights of union intended for the human clothed in this very finite tent? 

Is there a very profound lesson and spiritual warning in her darkness for us?

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David T Garrison - Inactive

No doubt all the saints in their own way represent the faith as it is to each of us. Some mystical others mundane. In Mother Teresa, it appears we have a dichotomy whereby she talked the talk and walked the walk but she did so with her fellow man not her God...or did she?

Our souls cry out, "Where are you Lord?" We all seek that "personal relationship" with Jesus that for most is beyond our grasp in this life. What we fail to notice is the nose on our face. Jesus said, "Love one another as I have loved you." Mother Teresa laid down her life for her fellow man. Her reward is great both in heaven and on earth.

It seems to me that most every Christian feels that if they don't "know" Christ then they are found wonting or hypocritical when in fact they are the norm.

Thank you Mother for your witness and your honesty.

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lwall - Inactive
David: Thanks for your comments. I just hope the "world" doesn't somehow use the recently disclosed letters as ammunition against the Church in general and Her efforts to canionize Mother in specific. We will have to wait and see our culture's various responses. Certainly, some of it will be sensational.
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royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear Mreiner, I do not believe it is possible for anyone to experience a "bond" with the Lord in the physical or even the spiritual sense as He is more than human experience can fathom. Human experience can only relate to what is known of this world. Christ is not of this world, hence to experience Him here and now would be an "out of body" experience unlike any experience we as humans can relate to. His nature now for us has become Eternal and we being mortal as of yet will not realize Eternal until we pass from this world. In Eternity we all will know the experience that comes from "knowing" Christ.  In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal
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David T Garrison - Inactive

lwall - The world will do what the world will do. As far as her actually becoming a saint in the eyes of the Church, I believe this to be more for you and me that we may have the assurance of someone special to bring our intentions and desires before the Lord as most of us often feel unworthy of His mercy and attention. I, for one, upon hearing, have sent my request that she assist me in my doubts and troubles.

Jesus is both man and God and to have a relationship with Him is not only possible but assured of. An interesting thing that Mother stated was that she stopped praying. Sure, she would say the prayers but she stopped conversing because she felt it was fruitless. The prayers of her labors say otherwise.

 

 

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David T Garrison - Inactive
and by the way, MREINER, I second lwall in thanking you for posting this
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bhokuto - Member
Well, to put it straight, it really depends on the purity of ones heart and soul.  How much of the "ore" or I should say and how much "ore" did one start out with?  Fire and anvil.  

Through fire the impurities are removed.  Unlike silver or gold, the soul lives  day to day with new and old thoughts.  Confessing to God at night of the wrongs and short comings of the "high calling" of Christ is a process of removing the impurities, while the mortal ones if committed are brought to the Priest.  

when the ore smith is brewing the silver, stray things jump in and he has to scoop it out.

After the "ore" has purified it is then put into casting.  
After the casting it is then buffed to luster.
After the buffing it is then painted or hand tooled or both.

One other thing we do not know of the hidden things of people because they are deep dark secrets.

Peace
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MREINER16 - Member

I think there is a lot to digest and I want to read the book when it comes out. As David indicates though it does make this holy person so much more human and I feel we all can relate to some degree with what she went through in her life. The example is that her faith endured despite her doubts. I just wonder how she did it-I guess it was grace.

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lwall - Inactive

I agree. Must await the book.

But what I have heard from media is disturbing...sounds very like so many priests who have lost their faith but remain in their vocation. Some however ultimately drop out.

I have known some personally. They were saying things similar to Mother. Some just gradually began to doubt the truth of Jesus in toto, that is, they came to mistrust the veracity of Scripture and Tradition for various reasons. Some had come to despise the Church, lose faith in Eucharist, became Protestants, humanisst, etc...got married.

Is it is popssible that Mother carried out this massive work without genuine faith? She mentions, I may be wrong, that she was doubting God's existence and that she lacked lacked faith.Was she referring to faith as the contents of our creedal and doctrinal beliefs, or the more subjective side of faith - feeling His presence and knowing Him in her inmost subjectivity?

The letters reveal a inwardly tortured person forever pinning away for more contact, more contact...closer union.. and she was lamenting in her soul at a void! 

It is all quite unsettling at this point for me. Frankly, at this point I feel a little betrayed by her.

Her crisis of faith doesn't look to me so easily "explained" as just one of many instances of  dark nights that saints experience which I am afraid will be the official take by the Church. I say this preliminarily, but would ask whether a typical dark night of the soul stretches the entire width of a saints life's vocation as these letters seem to show of her.

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David T Garrison - Inactive

bobo-How do you know when the silver is pure? When the silversmith can see his reflection in it. Mother Teresa, in my opinion, whether she realised it or not, reflected her Saviour.

 

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David T Garrison - Inactive

lwall - Is it possible..? I guess anything is possible, but probably unlikely. God calls all of us for He desires that no one be lost. Responding to His call is faith. Mother responded to Jesus' call and then describes hearing and seeing Him no more for a time and a time. Is it possible that Mother continued her work without love? Deus est caritas!

Love has been discussed in these pages. Is it something to be felt or a decision to be made or a combination of both?

I suppose it's normal to be dissapointed in someone who has been put on such a lofty plateau, but in the words of Christpoher West, "do not place your coat on a hook that can not bear the weight." The only One capable of sustaining that scrutiny is God, for us Catholics, the Triune God. Mother is a fine example of servitude if nothing else. Even if her "dark night" lasted her entire life or a priest or religious chooses another, it does not, will not, can not change Christ.  

The book. As Paul Harvey says, "...and now the rest of the story."

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royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear bhokuto, I am in agreement with you that impurity is what prevents us all from bonding with Christ as we should. Purgatory is a place of purification that many will endure in order to "see" God As God himself said, "No man shall see my face and live" This is because of the purity of God and the purity required of those whom encounter Him. Every person on earth has that struggle with purity and refinement everlasting until judgement. In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal
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bhokuto - Member
David,

Certainly the Lord is silversmith, He decides when the silver is pure.  Another words we know not whence this happens.  

Peace
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bhokuto - Member
I do not bash Mother. Teresa I think she was a great meek woman of God and she deserves everything God has obtained and given her.  But "we" do not Truly know what God has given other than what is said in Church teachings, which is limited compared to what God has in store.  Thus only God knows.  Even the depths of ones heart and soul.  That is why it is not a good thing to Judge others. There's only One True Just Judge,  A God who rewards according our works according to His riches.  Nor assume we know everything there is to know about giving when it comes to God giving something to each soul.  Each individual is dealt with as God sees fit.  To say I know what She or He is getting is foolish.  Now in relation to what God has in store for each, "I" hath not seen nor ear heard what God has entered into the hearts.  

Here's something that caught my attention about Mother Teresa, she received a Nobel Peace Prize.  Which says two things:  the world recognized her work;  two the Lord recognized her work and gave her a a reward through this prize?  Hard to imagine.  God rewards us in this life with things within.  While the world rewards us in this life with things outward such as prizes.

Peace
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bhokuto - Member
Royal,

Yes, brother Purgatory is a saving Grace for many!  What a great gift!
yet I pity poor souls there!  I wish with all my life that I can truly avoid
that place and I feel the same for them who are there.  Yet God is gracious.  Praise be God!

In relation to what each receives, we can observe and search, hear what the spirit says to each of us individually through collective thoughts.  What each receives is similar and depends on where you are currently in your walk with Christ.  One person may be in "kitchen", while another may be in the "dining room", each person is hearing the other through a doorway.  The spirit is there revealing things to each individually.   What each receives is dependent on how sensitive one is to the spirit.  

I somehow feel that Mother "T" may have regretted receiving the Prize.
And probably gave it to Jesus.  Which says a great deal more.  Because we Christians should not strive to receive praise from men nor the world.
But Praise from God for the good we have done.

Peace
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royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear bhokuto, I see the world from a different point of view. To me the greatest satisfaction we may receive is in  fulfillment. For married persons, children are that satisfaction. For consecrated religious, the children of God are that satisfaction. Unfortunately, our relationship with our children oftens defines our relationship with Christ. I have found through much trial and error that in order to maintain the proper perspective with our children, our first and foremost loyalty must be to Christ. If this is not so, then we will become empty and lonely both with our children and with Christ also. In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal
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MREINER16 - Member

Dear Royal- I agree with what you have said about our relationships with our children. I often try and remind myself that while I am my children's biologic and eartly father, their and mine real father is in Heaven. Therefore, my children are really my brothers and sisters in Christ. When I think of my children thsi way, it does help me define my realtionship with them in a different and hoepfully better way. Believe me there are times when the earthly father takes overInnocent, but I try to remeber that we are all on the same journey-to know God and to be with Him and Wosrhip Him for all eternity

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bhokuto - Member
Amen,

There are many walks in life.
Married, Unmarried, and within these there again, differences.

Yet we know that according to each person, do as God leads.
For married people care for their own.
While unmarried people like priests and those who live without, give wholly to God.  Quite a difference in contrast.  Yet all are people.  The difference is the choices made and the amount of heart left for God.  Christ demands full hearts for full devotion to love him.  Yet he'll take what you can give. If you want more from God you have to give Him more of yourself.  That's the bottom line.  Even trade.  What you receive from God is way better than anything this life has to offer.

Two types vocations within the contexts of each:

Marriage
Unmarried  (I used this because not all are priests)

Now I do not bash nor belittle marriage for procreation is of God to fill the earth and Heaven.  Blessed are those who are able.

Two rewards in the above:  (too long to go into but you can meditate on this one)

As long as we are true to each other and God.

Love God and your neighbor.  Think of your own as a neighbor, how you could help them come closer to God.

Peace
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lwall - Inactive

Well after reading these posts, still I am appalled at her "confessions." She must have felt she was living a duplicitous life. I had above - in my original post - wondered whether her the persistent longing for a deeper union with Christ, this long faced pinning for a mystical union with Him was not a form of spiritual hubris. This woman was given the high, holy privilege of ambassadorship over Chritst's care of the downtrodden, forgotten, and the abandoned dying of the world in a startling fashion unlike the world had ever seen. And she feels dry and doubts the faith because she lacks a "closer unuon" with Him! All of what she has been given is not enough? She begins to doubt about God's existence, Christ, the conrtents of  the faith...ad nauseum.

All the good she did could have served as a massive  witness to Christ and the Church for centuries. So I pretty upset that her life's work now runs the risk of becoming fodder for loud- mouth anti-Catholic sound bites and literature, deflating much of what would have been an effective witnessing. These confessions will scoundalize many I am afraid. 

Let's of course read her letters or whatever when published.

Again, I am at this point bracing to see whether or not the Church will somehow  "spin" her apparent loss of faith as another  species of Dark Night. If the Church does this ...well just wait for the ridicule to follow!

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AlvinaL - Inactive

Like all of us, Mother Teresa struggled with the effects of original sin.  This remarkable woman remained steadfast in her faith and strived daily to lead a virtuous life.  Today's gospel teaches about this subject.

Pope Benedict XVI teaches how all of us must struggle and strive to pass through the narrow gate in today’s Gospel reading by Luke 13:23-24.

“Dear brothers and sisters, if we want to . . . pass through the narrow gate, we must commit ourselves to being small, that is humble of heart like Jesus; like Mary, His and our mother. . . . Christians call upon Her as Ianua Caeli, Heaven’s Gate. Let us ask Her to guide us in our daily choices, take us to the path that leads to ‘Heaven’s Gate’.”

“The Pontiff explained that in Christianity there are not “privileged gateways”.  “The gateway to eternal life is open to all, but is ‘narrow’ because it is demanding, requires commitment, abnegation and denial of one’s own selfishness”.

From a CE news article:

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=10141&size=A

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AlvinaL - Inactive

In his book, A Revolution of Love: The Meaning of Mother Teresa, David Scott writes that Mother Teresa lived much of her life in an anguished dark night of the soul.  We know that to whom much is given much is expected.  It wasn’t easy but Mother Teresa remained steadfast in her faith.

In his book, Something Beautiful for God, Malcolm Muggeridge interviewed Mother Teresa.

Malcolm: (p. 112)

Mother Teresa, after I met you in London, the only thing I wanted to do was to come and see you and your work here and now I’ve seen it.  It’s a shining light.  But behind the work, which is wonderful and needed, as you keep saying and I’m sure you’re right, there’s something else, which is your faith.  Tell me about that because I think you will agree with me it’s something that’s rather lacking in the world today.

Mother Teresa:

Faith is a gift of God.  Without it there would be no life.  And our work, to be fruitful and to be all for God, and beautiful, has to be built on faith.  Faith is Christ who has said, “I was hungry, I was naked, I was sick, and I was homeless and you did that to me.’  On these words of His all our work is based.

Malcolm:

How are people to have this faith that is lacking in the world today?

Mother Teresa:

It is lacking because there is so much selfishness and so much gain only for self.  But faith to be true has to be a giving love.  Love and faith go together.  They complete each other.

This book offers Mother Teresa’s reflections:

On Love of God…On Prayer…On Silence…On Holiness…On Humility…On Submission…On Suffering…On Joy…On Kindness…On Our Lady…On Thoughtfulness…On Leaving Loretto…Peace…Apostle of the Unwanted…Holy Communion…Daily Prayer

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MREINER16 - Member

Dear lwall- I have also not read the complete book which contain her confessions and letters so I would still reserve all my thoughts. But, perhaps it can be approached in a mystical way-perhaps for some reason known only to God, Mother T's life was also one of reparation. Perhaps her separation from God is in some small way linked to the separation Jesus also experienced during his Passion and Death. Even Jesus while hanging upon the cross, cried out to God whay have you abandoned me. We are all called to make reparation, which we can do at Mass or in visits to the Eucharist during Adoration. Perhaps, Mother was called to make an almost perpetual reparation in her life through the suffering and separation that she experienced from the one thing in life that she obviously loved and yearned for-her Lord and Savior. I don;t know the answer and perhaps we'll never know. Yes, the Church will put it's "spin" on it, but ulimately we all need to reflect upon her life and with the help of the Holy Spirit her life can be a help and maybe even an inspiration to some of us on our faith journeys.

Peace.

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royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear mreiner16, In my humble opinion, what is perceived by others to be Mother Theresa's "lack of faith" was nothing more and nothing less than what Christ experienced on the Cross when he said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? I believe God views death differently than us because he has the keys to life and death. While man {and Mother Theresa} value life more than death, God values death more than life as God has required death from all of us so that we may be brought to life. The life that we perceive is not the same life that God perceives, if it were the same, then we all would be  calling down Manna from the sky and feeding thousands on only a prayer to the Father. What Mother Theresa was explaining is that she felt her prayer was "fruitless" when in fact she may have been receiving from God the very answer that she prayed for[in a very round about way] We all ask for things from God that are not in line with His will and we all are answered from God in response to our prayer with what is good for our Eternal Salvation. I am certain that Mother Theresa received that which she needed most for her spiritual wealth as God does not give anything to his children which will harm them, rather to help them on their spiritual journey. My take on this is that Mother Theresa may have misinterpreted the gift she was given in prayer or perhaps did not recognize or appreciate what God intended for her sanctification. It is not easy to accept the Cross of suffering. It hurts.  In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal
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bhokuto - Member
Iwall,

Have you ever been to the point in your faith in God that you deny He is Good at all?  

These are all questions we all face if we are walking with God.  It is undeniable.

Could you upon seeing hundreds if not thousands of starving abandon children say there is a God, you coming from a plush, comfortable lifestyle?

This below is constructive criticism for a brother in Christ, I should hope the same in return since you are a well educated man:
Take into consideration the heart of the matter rather than your "brain power" --logic.  This is your fault wide open in this forum.  I read it everytime you post.  Your logic is flawed because God is mystical.  Which causes all logic and knowledge to "BackFlip".  Consider a timeout and meditate from the heart.  Then you will understand Mother Teresa.

Peace
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lpioch - Moderator

Who of us here don't feel we live a duplicitous life?

I often feel like a fraud on a daily basis.

I call myself Catholic (and that I am).  I receive Christ on an almost daily basis.  I pray, I struggle, I fall.  After all the love and help God has given to me by grace, I still am worthless (without him). 

I know I am not worthy to receive anything from Him, yet he still gives.

I feel I live a double life.  So did St. Paul when he knew that he wanted to do one thing, but instead did the other.

 

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royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear Ipioch, Yes and the reason we all feel that way is because of the indwelling of Original Sin from Adam and Eve. Had the deceit been discovered in the Garden of Paradise before it was committed, then we now in this century would not feel the effects of Original Sin. It becomes very confusing when you complicate the matter by committing a current sin besides original sin, then you feel even worse. The only way I have found to help me with this terrible feeling is frequent confession at least once a week. Original Sin will never be erased along with all of it's potently ill feelings, although the pain can be minimized in this way. Also Adoration helps I have found to relieve some of the pain of sin in all it's forms.In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal
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fishman - Member

 royal osiodhachain - can man reach union with God in this life?

Jesus said "be perfect as my father in heaven is perfect"

Did he give us a command we cannot carry out?

John of the cross believed it was possible

Teresa of avila belived it was possible

many have belived, some few may have suceeded.

At what? Taking communion perfectly?

being infused with christ and not of yourself.

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bhokuto - Member
Royal,

I think you mean the effects of original sin rather then, Original Sin.
Original sin is wiped out by Christs Crucifixion.  

TO OBTAIN GRACE A SACRIFICE HAS TO BE MADE!  

Christ Paid the Sacrifice for us to receive Grace.  In order to receive grace, Original sin has to be wiped out.  The effects of Original sin remain.  Concupiscence is what St. Paul Calls it.  So we in the Church hold to this.

Consider a blob of black ink on your body covering it entirely. Consider this blob to be Original Sin.  No Grace can penetrate it.  Christ's Blood and Water washed away Original Sin the "Ink".  Hence we get the Prayer from Divine Mercy  "O Blood and Water which gushed forth from the "Sacred Heart" of Jesus as a fount of Mercy for us, I trust in You".

Original Sin went inside as well as outside into the soul corrupting the soul.  The Blood of Christ covers us. Replaces the "Ink".  The Water of Christ washes us.  Cleansing the stain of Original Sin.  What's left is concupiscence.  The wounds. Or the Flames of Sin.  Extinguish in us the Concupiscence of the flesh and the ardor of worldly desires.

Sin is flame boiling the blood, like two pigs in heat.
Being in the state of Sanctifying Grace reverses this affect of sins flame.
(more to follow below on this) Thus some are Sanctifying Flames.  Apostles had this.  We see this in the Book of Acts.
Where the Holy Fire of Love, or the Holy Spirit came upon them as cloves of Fire.  Only the Holy Fire from God in conjuction with the Sacraments can reverse the flames of sin - concupiscence.  For God is a consuming Fire.  His Fire is Love which He gives us through
Holy Spirit or Holy Fire of Love.  His fire is Grace.   His fire is Light.

Fire can be seen two ways in regards to spirituallness:
Fire of God -- sanctifying
Fire of Sin  -- lust

Peace


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