Michael, Pope John Paul 11 exclaimed that it is impossible to escape your Baptism. Perhaps Mrs Henderson was originally Baptized Catholic which makes it impossible for her to be anything but Catholic. Baptism claims the person in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit of the Catholic church. Do you know if she was originally Catholic? This would answer the mystery immediately.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Noel, The Catholic church is the fullness of Christianity. Protestant communities began only in the 1500's and none are fully Christian as the original intent of the name Christian was indeed Catholic. Catholic as a title for the Christian church began I believe sometime in the 1st or 2nd century. To assume that protestants are fully Christian is like trying to assume that I am fully Irish.

The Baptism which Catholic's receive binds them forevermore to the Catholic church, even should they fall away through error.That is why I suggest Mrs may have been Baptized Catholic at one time and that is why she returns to the Catholic faith.

 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Noel, Of course any person from any belief system may convert to Catholicism and either be baptized anew or not depending on the Catholic judgement concerning any prior baptism. The remark I made was to distinguish what religion is fully Christian and the answer is the Catholic faith. To call any other belief Christian is like me trying to tell you that I am Irish when I am Slavik. 

As Pope Benedict XVI already answered recently, protestant beliefs are defective.

What I am trying to say is that the Mrs. Henderson may have originally been Catholic prior to marriage and is now returning to the Catholic church. I dont know how to research that, can you help me find out if she was Catholic in her younger years?

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Noel, From Scotland:Mrs Henderson is an ardent advocate of ecumenical co-operation and the couple's children have all attended a Catholic convent school.

Apparantly Mrs Henderson has been involved with the Catholic church for many years.

I e-mailed the Archbishop Diarmuid Martin to ask of Mrs. Henderson had been baptized Catholic at birth. I will post when I receive an answer from the Bishop.

Insofar as your personal beliefs and the Protestants, I suspect you may have to reconcile that with a priest in confessional, if you are in error, I am certain the priest will inform you. The Pope says the protestant communities are defective.

copied from the Vatican www.vatican.va

THIRD QUESTION

Why was the expression “subsists in” adopted instead of the simple word “is”?

RESPONSE

The use of this expression, which indicates the full identity of the Church of Christ with the Catholic Church, does not change the doctrine on the Church. Rather, it comes from and brings out more clearly the fact that there are “numerous elements of sanctification and of truth” which are found outside her structure, but which “as gifts properly belonging to the Church of Christ, impel towards Catholic Unity”.[11]

“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”[12].

 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Michael

Thank you for your clarification.

It makes clear that those baptised in a non-canonical ecclesial community are not to be baptised conditionally in general.  I would suggest that a Protestant minister when baptising intends to bring the person being baptised into his/her ecclesial community. However, baptism by a Protestant minister is a valid sacrament.

You write

Fr. Corapi once indicated that all of the validly baptized (form, matter, and intent) are baptized Catholic, that is, receiving the indellible mark of one belonging to Christ.

Is Fr Corapi suggesting that all baptized Protestants are really Catholics?

I really do appreciate your post, which shows we can discuss our views without personal invective.

God bless,


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"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?³³⁵ Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.³³⁶

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.³³⁷

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."³³⁸

You still owe me an apology for uncharity. You grant the protestants love and respect yet you refuse me any. Is that hypocritcal?

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Y

She was not, other than in the sense (as claimed in this roundtable) that everyone is baptised Catholic.

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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Three Church of Ireland parishes (Anglican/Episcopalian) may soon convert fully to the Catholic Church.  

This is a momentous move for the Church in Ireland.

In fact here in the Republic or Ireland there are very good relations between Catholics and Protestants.  It may be a case of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” and the mutual enemy is secularization.

Ecumenism is in a healthy state here . This may differ from the US where Protestant often seem to imply Baptists, who may be more anti-Catholic than Anglicans.

I was at a meeting some time ago about myth and magic in religion.  The lecture wa interrupted by a High Churcn Anglican, who said that as he believed in transubstantiation he disagreed with the speaker. Another High Church Anglican also supported him.  So much for Protestants not agreeing with transubstantiation. 

Again I am a member of the Newman Society of Ireland, among our active members are a convert to Catholicism and a very High Church C of I wife of a clergy-man. 

Thus in this forum I may seem too sympathetic to Protestans.  I do believe they share many Christian values with us.

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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Noel, Your perceptions are correct. Protestants in this country are responsible for abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, gay marriage, the war etc...

Catholics here are having a very difficult time opposing the protestants. We are constantly at odds. I am very happy for Ireland to achieve ecumenism with the protestants although Ireland was at war north and south for many more years. The Catholic/Protestant war in Ireland was known throughout the world. Peace has finally come for you.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Y

I did make the point I was referring to the Republic of Ireland, sometimes (incorrectly) referred to as Southern Ireland.  Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kinngdom, is different.

God bless,


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"Dear Yana Apologies for the delay in replying your email. Mrs Henderson, wife of Angilican Bishop, is the daughter of an Anglican Minister who was baptised a Protestant at birth. Administrator"

"Noel, Janet Maxwell emailed me from the Church of Ireland to say that Mrs (Anita) Henderson was baptized Catholic at birth. I thought that was the reason she switched to the Catholic faith." ?

Michael, This all goes to prove that when you are looking for the truth it is helpful to consider all sources.  Obviously, there is some confusion regarding the baptism of Mrs. Henderson which is common for anyone whom is only baptised with water and not with the Spirit. When one is baptized with the Spirit, the truth is evident and plain to see.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen