Well, well -- look what a little Googling can do:
I just visited the link and your comment is posted...
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Interesting reading. I agree with you Tom. It is homosexual priests and bishops that cover up for them.
Sometime back there was a thread here on CE about a topic similar to this. The questions was about letting homosexuals in the priesthood. My comment (I logged in as cajun then) was that if a priest was true to his vows of celibacy his sexual orientation should come in to "play". I feel that is a priest or man with a heterosexual orientation can retrain from sexual encounters then also a homosexual priest or man can do the same.
If a priest is celibate then sexual acts aren't part of their lives. It is all about staying true to their vows. But I also think priests that feel they cannot honor their vows then they should resign from the priesthood. (I have a friend that did just that.)
It is men that enter the priesthood that remain in the priesthood after such reported and documented cases of abuse or indiscretions that make this vocation less appealing to our youth. And these priests taint the image of the many wonderful priests serving faithfully.
Tarheel
tom, throughout the history of the Catholic church there have been thousands of dissenters such as Fr. Beck and in the future there will be thousands more to come. The church has a person responsible for dealing with those defective and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was in that post before he became Pope.
As Christ promised Saint Peter, "The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church"
The Catholic church is not a democracy contrary to common American belief. Many Americans are so highly confused about democracy that they think everyone should live in a democracy. Many persons the world over have never known democracy and live simply wonderful lives.
I dont see the worry about Fr. Beck at all, in time he will fade away mostly because he is obviously contradictory to his ordination vows and that will become evident to even the church's enemies with enough interaction because he is a man torn in two, not knowing if he is a Catholic priest, or if he is the devil's advocate.
He needs our prayers of course, in Jesus Holy Name, that he repent of his evil then get back to his important ministry of the sacraments.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Father Edwards Corner is gone...
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...or maybe not. The link provided by mkochan above no longer points in that direction.
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Tom
Before I read your post I never heard of Fr Beck.
Is giving him publicity helpful?
However I am saddened to see you have written:
I believe the root cause of the scandal is "homosexual priests and bishops and those who cover-up for them".
We Catholics are going through a rough time. We should hang together or we’ll hang separately.
To me a priest is an Alter Christus – Another Christ. I was brought up to respect priests and consider bishops leaders of the Church. I also do not think it is immoral to be a homosexual, or and alcoholic or to have cancer. Thus criticizing priests and bishops is not helpful in evangelizing and living a Catholic life.
I do think it is important that Catholics unite in our love of each other and the Church.
However things are nuanced.
I go along with the Church when it says women priests are off the agenda. I am careful not to mention this issue in my posts. But this does not prevent me arguing strongly for a married clergy.
Within the Church we have freedom on many issues - enough to keep active and lively debate.
God bless,
NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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tom, Apparantly you have missed the documentation the church created after the scandal. If you search the vatican webpage www.vatican.va then in the upper right searchbox type in seminarian discernment in US Seminaries, you will find that the Vatican already rewrote the discernment process to filter out and identify men with homosexual inclinations and behavior to discourage them from seminarian formation. Also if you will go to the website www.archspm.org you will need to look through the page and you will find the John Jay legal study of homosexual pedophilia in the priesthood. The problem is very limited to under 1% of the entire priesthood. The protestant clergy suffer more profusely from homosexual pedophilia according to the same study and they are running at about 3% homosexual pedophile protestant ministers.
You may wish to give light to the problem although Christ has advised us, "Do not even mention the deeds of darkness". The ultra-stupidity of this priest's reasoning is obvious to anyone who realizes that any priest is part of a heirarchy and so answers to his Bishop, not the public and so is immediatly at fault when he presents his case to the public which is precisely why he is censored in the first place. His testamony gives scandal not only to the church, also to himself for defiance of his vows of ordination in the eyes of all the church members and his fellow priests and the Magisterium.
The only persons who would possibly give this priest credibility would be the ignorant and if you are accepting the task of instilling wisdom in the ignorant, then the entire world is waiting for you to instruct them.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen
tom, You do bear malice toward the church if you are pointing the finger of blame at Bishops. In order to prove your honesty, you need to name the Bishop that is part of the hierarchy at fault. As such you are naming all Bishops which I know for a fact is a lie. I know many Bishops who would not involve themselves in such deceit.
There is not a priest alive that would sexually molest a man as the risk to his safety would be multiplied. The reason homosexual men choose boys as targets for their molestation is because they pose a lesser risk to safety ie [arrest, accusation, retaliation from friends or family] furthermore the victims are usually also from homes where the father has abandoned the family.
The John Jay study has concluded the sexual abuse was caused by predominantly homosexual men.
Finally, if Fr. Beck has permission from his Bishop then you are barking up the wrong tree. You have a responsibility as a Catholic faithful to question his Bishop, not Fr. Beck as you may have distorted Fr. Beck's assignment from his Bishop in which case your argument with him would be unjust.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
tom, All I am suggesting to speed your discussion is direct contact with the Bishop of this priest in question. You did not answer me when I asked for names that is why I considered your malice. With your acknowledgement of the innocence of many Bishops, I hereby cede to your ambition of finding the guilty parties. As I recommend, the Bishop is in charge, not the priest. The priest merely functions at the discretion of a local Bishop.
The sex abuse scandal is over and has been for quite some time. It is being kept alive by a few diehard scandal lovers who enjoy gossip.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
I agree with the Australian clergyman. The Church needs to concern itself with staying relevant, always. The Church is almost 2,000 years old, and has accomplished many truly great things. But, times change, human issues change, our knowledge about the realm of matter changes. Enduring religions keep up with that change. Resistant religions die out.
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