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“Jesus of Nazareth” - What Do You Think?

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noelfitz - Member

At present I am trying to read “Jesus of Nazareth” by Pope Benedict XVI, aka Prof Joseph Ratzinger.

The Pope writes that he gives "an expression of my personal search “for the face of the Lord”…Everyone is free, then, to contradict me” (pp xxiii, xxiv). So one can disagree with an infallible person!

The Pope shows a masterful grasp of modern biblical scholarship, making one realist how relatively little English speaking scholars have contributed to recent Biblical interpretations. He shows an appreciation of modern Catholic and non-Catholic scholarship, noting the limitations.

In CE we have been a bit harsh of Catholic academics and scholars, so it is good to see that the Pope is not wholly negative towards modern scholarship. How could he be being at the front rank of Biblical scholarship himself?

I am finding the book excellent but not easy going.

What do you think?

 

God bless,

 

NoelFitz. 

Posted 1 year ago #
lpioch - Moderator

We can disagree with this infallible person because he authored the book as a theologian...not as a pope.  It is not a papal document, but a book of his own research and studies.  Therefore, the charism of infallibility does not protect him from making errors in the book.

I am looking forward to getting my copy soon.  Although I'm seriously considering reading through the entire Old Testament before beginning any new books.  It has been a very long time, and when you get corrected by your 7 year old (he got his own Bible for his First Confession), you are humbled.  "Mom, Daniel didn't get thrown into the lion's den once...but twice!"

It's been too long since I've cracked open the Old Testament for more than reading the particular references cited by an author.

Posted 1 year ago #
AlvinaL - Inactive

This is a good topic.  Our parish is taking orders for the book and offering at half-price $12.50 to encourage many people to read it.  I’m looking forward to reading Jesus of Nazareth by Joseph Ratzinger.

Our Sunday bulletin gives following short description of the book as the Pope’s answer to “Who was Jesus?”

In his new book the Pope shares a compelling portrait of Jesus that inspires readers to encounter, face to face, the central figure of the Christian faith.  The Pope believes that everything in Christianity depends on building an “intimate friendship with Jesus” and he shares his search for what he terms “the face of the Lord.”

The Pope invites Christians into his classroom and, among other things, asks them to pray more intelligently, to view the beatitudes as a roadmap for the church, and to read the Gospels both critically and with love.

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

I hope to read more of it.

The Church at the present day needs scholars. In the past Popes were not scholars, but usually diplomats or bureaucrats, generally from aristocratic Roman families.

The last two Popes were scholars one a philosopher and one a theologian.

The Holy Spirit seems to know what the Church needs.

 

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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Posted 1 year ago #

I hear it is about Jesus.

Just kidding around. 

At this time I know very little about the work.  I hope to read it before the year is out but would gladly get a sneak peek through this thread.  Thanks everyone.

GK - God is good!

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

Amazon gives:

Synopsis


When Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope Benedict XVI in April 2005, he became the most accomplished theologian to ascend to the Papacy in several hundred years. Over the previous fifty years of his life he had written scores of theological works; even his critics have acknowledged his erudition and intellect.

 

Accessible and illuminating, "Jesus of Nazareth" is an antidote to the academic search for the 'historical' Jesus. Written by an author who is not only the head of the Catholic Church but also a respected theologian in his own right, this book is full of insight, humility and honesty.

 

The Pope has called "Jesus of Nazareth", 'solely an expression of my personal search "for the face of the Lord". Everyone is free, then, to contradict me. I would only ask my readers for that initial willingness to sympathise, without which there can be no understanding.'

 

The author's fundamental purpose in this book is to restore and renew 'the interior friendship with Jesus a figure that makes sense and feels right in historical terms.' An informative and insightful portrait of the figure that emerges in the Gospels, it is a deeply spiritual work that contends with the dramatic and provocative questions of faith.

 

Important and valuable to those disillusioned by troubled times and in the wake of recent scepticism, "Jesus of Nazareth" will engage and provoke thought in anyone who seeks a relationship with God.

 

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member
I have started reading it.  So far I love it .. full of keen insight and clear thinking.  As well as somewhat challenging ... and of coarse very catholic.
Posted 1 year ago #
grumpybumpas - Member

(New kid on the block,just waiving a hand.)

 

 I have read elsewear that Jesus the Christ was a master teacher,master carpenter and reported to be the son of God.

 

 Not recorded to have ever written anything with no one on earth having any idea as to what he may have looked like.

 

 What is the view of the catholic church on this writing???

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
To: GrumpyBumpas
RE: "What is the view of the Catholic Church on this writing??"
Which writing?

If you mean the book that NoelFitz talked about in the beginning of the thread, you might reread his post carefully.  This book is by the present Pope. 

There are other books with this same title by the way; one was written by Bishop Sheen.  I've read that one and it is quite good.  It can still be obtained, although used, on the web.

Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
grumpybumpas - Member

(New kid on the block,just waiving a hand.)

 

 I have heard so much about the Catholic churches twelve hundre year polecy of kill or covert,i wonder if someone can explain it?

 

 Was not the catholic church and the Roman empire one and the same for a few hundred years???

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member

grumpybumpas,

negative. What happened was not that at all. some pagans tried to takeover and did for some time. I don't recall the exact books which tell the incidents of each occurrence as there were a few. If you've read the bible at all, Jesus came to save sinners from death and eternal damnation. To setup a Church of true believers who promote this kind of teaching and lifestyle. Imitate. Unfortunately, Satan is not happy with this so he does his best to bash and thrash, discredit anything God is doing. It's starts with Genesis.

Have you ever seen a movie about medieval times where kings go about conquering? Roman empire was trying to silence Christians from telling men about God and His salvation for all mankind. They thought if we can silence these Christians who promote ways contrary to ours we would have total rule.

As far as wars, "can't remember there names at the moment" some of them were Turks, Muslims, enemies of the Church which are enemies of God, in some cases enemies of Christ, tried to extinguish Christianity with weapons. Wars were as a result of disputes which seemed necessary back then because that's all they knew and understood. A more barbaric time. Force their wills.

This is not the Churches stance. Killing is no no, and is of the 10 commandments which is very understood among "true believers" though some may waiver from time to time. It's the same with any vice. If you do not recognize vice, it is very apparent that you may be living in vice still. Some parts of it. If you drink water from a sparkling clean glass, you taste the contents rather than the grime left on the glass. We are the same. If we are not sparkling clean when God uses us to drink, He tastes the grime. This is just an analogy that is very closely related to how it is. Vice is the grime. Virtue is the contents.

But to be more precise vice is like the weeds that grow in your yard, ivy, honeysuckle, crab grass, they root in the soil in your soul and spread in it's various forms.  Identifying them can be troublesome.  

Virtue is like the great mustard tree, the rose flower, and other more elegant and pleasing to the eye and nose, minus the hybrids of man who tainted the seeds.  This can be like vice tainting the seeds, or virtue depending on the source.  The rose is thorny which is more widely used to depict.  When you grab it it pricks your hand at the stem.  God is the same.  When you come to Him, He pricks you to drain you of the poison in you.  The Cross is stem of thorns. Bleed out the poison.

 

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

 

Grumpybumpas.

Sorry to disagree with you again.

You wrote:

Was not the catholic church and the Roman empire one and the same for a few hundred years???

NO.

You also wrote:

I have read elsewear that Jesus the Christ was a master teacher,master carpenter and reported to be the son of God. Not recorded to have ever written anything

Again NO

Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground (Jn 8:6)

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 1 year ago #
grumpybumpas - Member

(New kid on the block,just waiving a hand.)

Oh yes the Catholic church was a master killing machine for most of it's history.

Posted 1 year ago #

grumpy,

Are you over the age of 17?

GK - God is good!

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . grumpy - do you REALLY know history? Noel, et al, for another view of this precious book, read this (http://themcj.com/3201) Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

Warren


You gave us a reference to http://themcj.com/3201. It makes interesting reading.

It is encouraging to read in a Protestant site that

Benedict has an amazing grasp of the theological and historical substance of Christianity. One can see his early experience as an effective theology professor shining through in his scholarly analysis and explanations.

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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