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Identifying Excellent Conservative Parishes

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  • Started 1 year ago by jzaborowski
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jzaborowski - Inactive
I'm interested in doing some research on conservative parishes that are energized and growing. In particular ones that went through a transformation and grew that were in a decline. Any ideas from around the country or websites I could go to or articles would be appreciated.
Posted 1 year ago #
Jakes - Moderator

I don't know about the "decline" criterion but St John The Evangelist in Warrenton, Virginia, Pastor Fr. John Melmer, seems as though it would qualify for your consideration.

Peace,

 

Jakes

Posted 1 year ago #
JosephMary - Moderator

Ave Maria!

Yes, I have heard of some but I would rather not put this in print. But here is one thing to look for: perpetual adoration or parishes that promote adoration and other devotions. Parishes with more than a half hour of confession on Saturdays---in other words, parishes where the sacramental life is strong are likely to be the flourishing parishes.

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member

Here's where I have an issue.  If your parish is dwindling it needs your help. Instead of abandoning it, help revive it. Even if only one person see's the light of Christ. Because Christ seeks those who are lost, he goes into the dirt to find one lost sheep.  He traverses rivers, mountains, lakes, forests, desert to find that one lost dear sheep.

It is part of the mystical body of Christ.  They are our brothers in arms, our commrades in battle.  They need your strength.  In parishes where a problem of epidimic porportions is evident, the lay become the help.  If the lay abandon, they are no better than the clergy who have lost faith.  We Christians or Catholics do not abandon our own at least that's text book and what we are called to do, help one another so we can shine the light.

Love one another this will prove to the world that I came.

Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

bhokuto -- I think you mistake the crux of the problem the intail post is tring to address.  First of all 'conservative' has somehow become a pharse nowaday that means orthadox.  I have no interest in either conservatives or liberals but in orthadoxy.  Secondly it seems many bishops in the united states ,rather then enforcing ecclisiasitc disapline have choosen to allow people to 'vote with thier feet' by encouraging the attendance of a parish where the pastor has similar theological and austhetic leanings too oneself.  This is a resualt of the a combination of the lack of priest ( therefore the poor ones are not disapline because they may leave the priesthood) and a reluctance to close parishes.

 

The fact is that if the pastor truely follows God the parish will as well and those who don't will leave.  if the pastor has lost faith there is nothing that can be done to help his parish, unless the bishop removes the man.  The best that can be done is to invite those who are still looking for truth to go to a different parish with you.

 

Posted 1 year ago #
Protect the Rock - Moderator

In general, I agree with bhokuto that one should work through one's local parish and, if need be, the chancellory to fix parishes that are messed up.

For those families trying to raise Godly children, there is another level of concern -- does one make the effort to get involved, break into and out from the parish politics and try to identify and then correct poor religious education and liturgical abuse during the formative years of one's children?

Or does one drive a few more miles to a parish where the teaching, preaching, and sacraments are solid?

Posted 1 year ago #
jzaborowski - Inactive
The term I used should have been orthodox as you stated
Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member

Fishman:

Focus on the reality of life: if the first christians had problems, so will we. Never think the grass is greener somewhere else. If we as Christians do our part God is satisfied. That means all Christians in the soup, clergy, lay etc.,.

Heroes of the Church become Saints.

Posted 1 year ago #
jvalera - Inactive

Perhaps, as some have welcomed the new pronouncement of Pope Benedict, offer  more Latin Masses ! We can't be more orthodox than the Tridentine Mass.

 

jaime ramon

Posted 1 year ago #
Protect the Rock - Moderator

Just give it to us straight.

I'm convinced the vast majority of Catholics in the pews simply want (and need) to do what's right. 

We want and need the faith -- if that's Latin and chant, great.  If that's tambourines and holding hands at the Our Father, so be it. But just give it to us straight.

What we don't need is constant novelties and innovations with intermittent complaints and warnings that all is illicit because the Church disappeared after Vatican II.

As the world views it, confusion and bickering seem to be the Gospel message, but of course they are not. The good news is salvation through Jesus Christ in humble obedience to God's loving will.

Just give it to us straight.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jakes - Moderator

The original post in this thread stated thus:

"I'm interested in doing some research on conservative parishes that are energized and growing. In particular ones that went through a transformation and grew that were in a decline. Any ideas from around the country or websites I could go to or articles would be appreciated."

Am I the only person who thinks the author is seeking reference to concrete entities of the type he described?  Perhaps I'm mistaken and he wished only to open a philosophical discussion.

BTW, the website of the parish I identified is www.stjohntheevangelist.org.

 

Peace,

 

Jakes

Posted 1 year ago #
Protect the Rock - Moderator

Jakes,

Gosh, you're right.  jzaborowski was looking for "St. Joe's in Bugtussle" and I gave him philosophy.

 

"Blessed Sacrament in Kansas City, Kansas"

 

Posted 1 year ago #
Jakes - Moderator

Way to go, PTR!

 

Peace,

 

Jakes

Posted 1 year ago #
rnfink - Inactive

I think there are many parishes out there that are orthodox. We belong to one and know of others in our area. But we also belonged to a church that wasn't! We were trying to fight the fight and keep the pastor and liturgy committee from "changing the church from the inside out". WE LEFT!! After 10 years of being every kind of volunteer, having 3 of our children in the school and tithing, we found there was no one willing to follow the bishop or the pope! For the sake of our children (5 at the time) and for our own souls we went to the more orthodox church 3 miles away. It has been the greatest blessing to us. We now have 7 children and have lost 2 before birth, we are affirmed in our faith, we have adult education that is excellent, youth groups that are Catholic, 24 hour adoration, and our oldest child is a 2nd year seminarian for our diocese.

We loved our first parish, we still meet those parishoners with joy, but we will never go back to that parish.

Do a search for Eucharistic Adoration and see what web sites you find.

And pray, pray, pray for Godly priests and bishops!!

Nettie

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

 

Mfink

God has blessed you and your family.

I am fortunate to live near a parish that is excellent, but our own is good also.

The priest who says the Mass I attend, has (as I have written many times) a great facility with words.

Yesterday at Mass in the bidding prayers he prayed for those who feel like committing suicide, but have not, who would like to be dead and rid of this live, that they may regain hope and purpose.

He also quoted from the office of the day where St Augustine prayed that we should strive to know the God who know us.

Finally he prayed for bishops and priests, who should not be afraid of conflict and should not avoid confrontation and "slink back into the woodwork".

It was inspiring stuff.

God bless,


NoelFitz.

 

PS Sorry for recent typos! NF
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Posted 1 year ago #
arbogast1 - Inactive

First, I'll give the concrete answer,

 St. Jude's, Fort Wayne, IN. We have an Adoration chapel, daily reconcilliation, two daily masses, and a "Blue Ribbon" awarded school. Fr. Tom Schumaker, Pastor.

 

Next, To be philisophical, thank-you fishmanfor the clarification in terms for "orthodoxy" verses the loaded political term "conservative". Parishes where the Sacraments flourish and their is true sense of community could do more to help other struggling parishes. However, how would this be received? Hopefully charitably, but it also may serve to point out the "declining" vs. "thriving" dynamic and cause more members of the parish to leave. I don't think you can seperate the decline in certain parishs from the economic and moral declines (especially in urban area's) which effect all area's of American life. To solve this decline, fervent and constant prayer in our adoration chapel's is the best solution.

 

Praise Be to the Master

Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

A church like any family is greatly influenced by who heads it and what kind of leaders it has.  If there is hetrodox teaching going on at a church and you have faild to influence it's correction going elsewhere is a wonderful idea.  Why continue to trust and follow those who you are not convinced are following christ to the best of thier ability. 

 

dynamically orthadox should be the goal.  Faithful to God in all respects and everthing done through him , in him and with him.  Only in this way are obediance and freedom the same.

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member
I got out of line with my comments above. I apologize as I put forth something that should be in another topic.
Posted 1 year ago #

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