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CCD What does it really mean?

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youthministersb - Inactive

CCD what does it really mean?

 

Rob

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear youthministersb, CCD is the abbreviated form of Catechism of Catholic Doctrine. Many years ago when I was elementary, religion classes were called Catechism and we all were actually taught by nuns using the Catechism of the Catholic Faith as a teaching book. Many youngsters now do not know what the Catechism is although the book can be found at the nearest bookstore if your parish does not offer you a copy. In the Holy Love of God I am your brother and my name is Royal.
Posted 1 year ago #
MREINER16 - Member

I believe that it actualy stands for Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, although the spirit of what CCD is really what was psoted above by Royal. Check out this link which provides a bit of a history:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confraternity_of_Christian_Doctrine#Contemporary_Usage

 

 

 

 

Posted 1 year ago #
Tarheel - Member

I have been teaching CCD for six years and I have heard both definitions.  I did a quick look in "United States Catholic Catechism for Adults" and "Compendium Catechism of the Catholic Church" and I could not find CCD mentioned anywhere there.  It may well be in there but every time I look at these two books something catches my 'eye' and I forget what I was looking for in the first place.

You may want to ask your DRE at your parish.  I asked mine once and she jokingly said "Sunday School" but she did say it was "Confraternity of Christian Doctrine" .  The DRE (a nun from Sisters of Mercy) at a parish I taught at before also said it was this.  But she agreed that "Catechism of Catholic Doctrine" sounded better and was easier to say.

 

Tarheel

(dave)

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear tarheel, There was an article written by a Bishop although I cannot remember what his name was who said he wanted to petition the Conference of Catholic Bishops in the USA to make mandatory the use of the Catechism in religous education classes from kindergarten up to 10th grade. In the Holy Love of God I am your brother and my name is Royal.
Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear mreiner16, I did some more research and this is what I found: 

Until the thirteenth century, the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer formed the general basis of religious instruction; all the faithful within the Catholic Church had to know them by heart, and parish priests were commanded to explain them on Sundays and festivals. Eventually, the range of instruction was widened to include the Commandments, the sacraments, the virtues and vices.

The Synod of Lambeth under Archbishop Peekham, in 1281, ordered priests to explain these truths of faith four times year. The Provincial Council of Lavour, in 1368, expanded this and commanded parish priests to give instruction on all Sundays and feast days. This council also published a catechism to serve as a textbook for the clergy in giving instructions in Christian doctrine, which was followed in all the dioceses of Languedoc and Gascony. Similar manuals were published elsewhere.

Partly in response to the challenge to uniformity posed by the Reformation, the Council of Trent, stated that church reform must begin with the religious instruction of the young. The Council issued the "Catechismus ad Parochos", and decreed that throughout the Church instructions in Christian doctrine should be given on Sundays and festivals.al.

 As I already tried to explain: The older defininition is Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, I have copied this information from the website you found and mentioned also. My copy is at the top of the page and yours is at the bottom.

In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
Tarheel - Member

Roayl, we do use the cathechism in our CCD and Sunday school classes. But it is in text books well suited for the grade I teach (6th).  The text books stay true to the catechism and are very well written.

 

I'm thoroughy enjoying your responses back about this topic.  I'm learning a lot here. 

 

Thanks!

Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

to continue from where Royal left off from the Wikipedia link:

But the work of organizing religious instruction had already begun. In 1536, the Abbate Castellino da Castello had inaugurated a system of Sunday schools in Milan. Around 1560, a wealthy Milanese nobleman, Marco de Sadis-Cusani, having established himself in Rome, was joined by a number of zealous associates, priests and laymen, and pledged to instruct both children and adults in Christian doctrine. Pope Pius IV, in 1562, made the Church of Sant' Apollinare their central institution; but they also gave instructions in schools, in the streets and lanes, and even in private houses. As the association grew, it divided into two sections: the priests formed themselves into a religious congregation, the Fathers of Christian Doctrine, while the laymen remained in the world as "The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine".

If you run a search on Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, you will find these two, as well as many more, interesting sites:

http://www.memorare.com/catechism/pennycat.txt

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05075b.htm

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear Tarheel, I am overjoyed to hear that you follow the text of the Catechism to teach the faith to your children. This is truly a remarkable loyalty to Church Doctrine and the exhortations of our dearly beloved Pope. I applaud your effort and pray for your continued success.           In the Holy Love of God I am your brother and my name is Royal.
Posted 1 year ago #
MattyMattyChooChoo - Inactive

There's also the ever popular "CCE" or Continuing Catholic Education, which, for most people, is primary Catholic education.  Continuing implies that people already have a strong basis in Catholic Education.  

 

I don't know about you guys, but in my parish, the older they are, the less reverent, less respectful, and more liberal they are.  I'd say they don't need to continue their Catholic Education, they need to get started!

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive
Dear Mattymattychoochoo, I agree with you whole heartedly. My wife and I want to join the Benedictines (as lay order) which also continues education. In the Holy Love of God I am your brother and my name is Royal.
Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Yes . . . 'what does it really mean'? Except, Royal, I mean your moniker . . . 'Royal' I can understand - so am I a 'royal' of the House of the King of Heaven - as prince if ever there was a prince, you might say. HOWEVER - 'osiodhachain' has a ring of other kings - Gaels and Celts, eh? Hmmm - research - - - And, I quote:
. . . the Shawhan Surname, by Eric Shawn (via: http://www.shawhan.com/crest.htm) There appears to be a consensus among scholars of Irish surnames that the ancestors we seek come from the Dalcassian family of Siodhacháin. . . . Ireland . . . The ship Encrease of Youghal, Ireland carried Thomas Shehawne and Cornelius Sheehane to Talbot County, Maryland in 1679. . . . John O'Hart wrote in 1892 that the Dalcassians are one of three branches of the race of Heber. Heber Fionn was the eldest son of Milesius and the first Milesian monarch of Ireland jointly with his brother Heremon. Heremon killed Heber in 1698 B.C. . . . "Dalcassian" is the anglicised form of Dal Cais, the name given to descendants of Cas, descendant of Cormac Cas, king of Munster in the fifth century. The various families were located chiefly in the part of Thomond presently county Clare. The ruling family of these were the O'Briens, kings of Thomond.
SO – you’re actually Lord O’Brien, king of Maryland, right? (Keep a close eye on any brothers you have.) Uh, by the way, I can't see even the Benedictines referring to you as 'Brother Osiodhachain', can you? Remember, I love you, too Reminding that we are all on the same side - His, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Now, of 'CCD' - I taught from Scripture, mainly, of all the apologetics I could find, for Confirmation preparation and afterward . . . Call it what we will, isn't this some ritual dance in which if they show up of a Saturday morning, they and their kin need not show up on Sunday? (This, even after having discussed the first three Commandments - the acts of loving God - three times in the first four weeks of classes?) And whether you can quote Scripture, tradition, catechism, conciliar documents, encyclicals, etc., if the parent disagrees with 'you' - never, of course, the Church - 'you' are per se wrong? After all, how can the Church be against divorce (never said that - just cannot remarry without annulling the prior marriage, if decided so by Church authorities) when Uncle Charlie is divorced, and . . . Matty and others of you surely get my drift . . . Teaching CCD is not merely thankless - it is torture. Yet, if but a one realizes that his pilgrimage - in learning as in prayer, etc. - is just starting . . . Teaching who amount to the children of parishioners without also teaching those parental parishioners is futile. If those at home are not 'on the same page' what has much of a chance of coming across? Remember, I love you, too Reminding that we are all on the same side - His, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive
PS - I agree, but will stipulate that if not we then who?. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to convert mens' souls not the catechist. However, it is the job of  the catechist{Church-brothers and sisters in Christ} to offer the Gospel and plant the seed if you will...
Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

I would encourage anyone who seriously wants to teach childern the faith to require that thier parents also attend any classes with them.

 

If the parents don't think the faith is important enough to attend classes with thier children you are pretty much waisting your time at least until the children are teen ages and in a mood to consider more fully what they were taught ( or not taught) by thier parents.

Posted 1 year ago #
MREINER16 - Member
fishman- My colleagues who teach CCD at my parish have often wished this would be the case. In fact, we have even discussed (of course just amongst ourselves) that perhaps we ought stop teaching the children and just have adult classes for perhaps 20 or so years and then maybe we could re-start CCD for children. Alas, it is just a pipe dream and we continue and hope (and pray) that we at least reach some of the kids. I;ll be starting up again in a few weeks0this time 7th graders starting at 7pm for an hour and a half-keep me in your prayers!
Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive

Dear wljewell, You came very close to the actual bloodline of my family history. The royal family: "The ruling family of these were the O'Briens, kings of Thomond" were in fact the ruling family during my family tenure in Ireland. The O'siodhachain clan were trumpetur's for the O'Briens. We announced the arrival of royalty with drums, trumpets and flutes. That was in the 15th century.

Robert Matheson's published list of surnames in Ireland includes Shane, Sheahan, Shean, Sheean, Sheen, and Shehan as variants of Sheehan, ranked 77th among one hundred of the principal surnames in 1890 Ireland. One example of a given surname derived from a personal name is McShane (MacShawn in Irish), son of John.

Matheson describes "local variations in spelling and form, exhibiting the tendency of names to assume different forms in different localities; variations in spelling at pleasure; and changes owing to illiteracy and other causes." His report presents examples of the use of different names by the same person as a prevailing practice in parts of Ireland.

Edward MacLysaght describes SHEEHAN an alternate spelling of Sheahan. In Irish the name is Ó Siodhacháin.. According to MacLysaght, Celtic scholars question Woulfe's conclusion that Siodacan is a diminutive of "riodac", peaceful. MacLysaght agrees with Woulfe that the sept originated as a Dalcassian one.

Since then we migrated to La Crosse, Wisconsin first by boat through the great lakes, then moved on from there throughout the USA. Many of our ancestors remained in County Cork and County Claire, Ireland.

My first name, Royal

  Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source
Main Entry:  royal
Part of Speech:  adjective
Definition:  kingly
Synonyms:  aristocratic, august, authoritative, baronial, commanding, dignified, elevated, eminent, grand, grandiose, high, highborn, honorable, illustrious, imperial, imposing, impressive, kinglike, lofty, magnificent, majestic, monarchical, noble, princelike, princely, queenly, regal, regnant, reigning, renowned, resplendent, ruling, sovereign, splendid, stately, superb, superior, supreme, worthy
does refer to kingship from the French portion of my ancestry. My grandmother was born on the German/French border and was of French descent being known as a Leider which even though sounded German, her entire personality was French by nature and behavior.

My family is to this day still very much attracted to music and especially the sounds of drums,flutes and trumpets.

 In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

MREINER16
-  why just talk , why not bring it to the people in charge.

I wouldn't say 'just' teach the adults though.

 

Right now to be confirmed CCD is nessary right?

Why not make it mandatory for parents who's children are enrolled in CCD to attend with them every class.

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . BAH! I have offered to give adult lessons based on what Confirmation level students were getting - for parents and/or any inquiring souls. Two parishes: no go. You can't just go around your pastor. If he sees no need - and most just think that it will end up in their laps and headaches - your efforts will be in vain. I do trust that the Holy Spirit has His own methods in mind . . . Remember, I love you, too Reminding that we are all on the same side - His, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
MREINER16 - Member

fishman-I suppose its just talk because we know what the answer would be. As wljewell writes the pastor would have to agree and quite frankly I don't see most parents doing this even if they were somehow mandated to attend.

 

In the end, most of us are ok with it-we have realistic expecations and most of us find joy in teaching our faith and most importantly leading the children to Jesus. the rest we we trust to the Holy Spirit.

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive

Dear mreiner16, Please dont give up simply because wljewell doused you with lemonade. My wife and I are currently teaching CCD preparation for Confirmation to my neice with the approval of the Archbishop whom is confirming my neice coming up in September. My wife and I are living proof that parents [or some adult whom is concerned] may actively become involved with Confirmation CCD with Priestly approval and Bishoply approval. Not all Priest's are like wljewells [Priest's] some Priest's are actually involved and enthusiastic. Give it a try with yours, he may simply say, "yes, and what else may I approve for you today"?

 P.S. Notice how wljewell opens a converse with me then drops me like a hot potato? Reminds me of a horse I once knew that bucked me off just when I was getting to know how to ride the bucko!!

In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

I guess you thought this song was about you ...

What about the women? Who stood up for them?

Posted 1 year ago #
bambushka - Inactive

I've often heard it called: Cut, Color and Draw. The way some adults describe their faith, the arts and crafts were the most influential lessons they were given in their formation.

"Do not try to please everybody. Try to please God , the angels, and the saints. These are your public. If you are afraid of other people's opinion, you should not have become Christian." St John Vianney

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive

Dear David, Now I am absolutely certain that you are confused. This is the wrong thread. You are looking for War in Iraq. Also what is your great vanity concerning women? Do you really love them or do you simply satisfy your jollies while they entertain you?

In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive

Dear bambushka, Please recall that the worlds greatest assemblage of arts and crafts are contained at the Vatican. Jesus drew on the ground when the Jews wanted to stone Mary of Magdala, then He said, "He that is without sin be the first to cast a stone"

In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
bambushka - Inactive

Believe me, I know all about the art and crafts world. With two sons with art degrees another a carpenter and crafty daughters, myself being skilled with a tailor/alterations ability, the ones who have a faith that sustains them and is orthodox are the ones who did not go to CCD.

Even the Catholic school system did a number on their formation. With the younger ones, we opted to home study as far as religion was concerned.

Just as it takes eons to get the image of "porn" out of your head once you have been exposed, it seems to take just as long to get the idea of "I wouldn't do (fill in the blank) but I wouldn't tell anyone else not to do (fill in the blank). Or the idea that I can form my own conscience without any help from the Catechism or Bible Study or exposing my self to Church teachings.

"Do not try to please everybody. Try to please God , the angels, and the saints. These are your public. If you are afraid of other people's opinion, you should not have become Christian." St John Vianney

Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

-- it is true you would have to get the pastor to see the value and need for this ( which might happen if several of the cathecist approached him on the subject at the same time especially if the RE director is in on it).

 

--- it is equally true many parents would be offended or not Go for it.  This creates a perfect teaching opertunity , because the parents can be evagalized as to thier proper responsibility for the children's education and the level of involvment in it they should have.  The simple fact is that if the parents are truely unwilling to be involved at that level you efforts are nearly waisted on thier childern ( 1 hour a week isn't enough time to teach the faith in any useful fashion).  Also, you may be having a negative effect on the childerns faith as they may come to view faith as , just another class or something that can be learned from a book.

 

Posted 1 year ago #
royal osiodhachain - Inactive

Dear bambushka, My family also are artistans. We enjoy the religious art very much and especially the art that is language. CCD for us was not as damaging, in fact very helpful. You probably grew up on the poor side of town. The easy way to get rid of bad images is to replace them immediately with good ones, not to allow porn a place to linger. Think of something beautiful. We read the Catechism and the Bible frequently.

In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

Posted 1 year ago #
HomeschoolNfpDad - Member

There is specific reference to the "Confraternity of Christian Doctrine" in Pope St. Pius X's encyclical letter Acerbo Nimis (number 22, emphasis mine):

In each and every parish the society known as the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine is to be canonically established. Through this Confraternity, the pastors, especially in places where there is a scarcity of priests, will have lay helpers in the teaching of the Catechism, who will take up the work of imparting knowledge both from a zeal for the glory of God and in order to gain the numerous Indulgences granted by the Sovereign Pontiffs.

I'd suggest reading the encyclical to get a better idea of what this refers to.

Posted 1 year ago #
bambushka - Inactive

Porn is not exclusive to the poor side of town, it is everywhere. In store windows, in advertisement, even billboards on streets.

Yesterday was a great opportunity for catechisis. Shopping with a 14 year old granddaughter, helping her get ready for the upcomming school year gave hours of teaching moments. She learned the lesson of protecting "her garden" and how to practice modesty and chastity.

What CCD class in the last 20 years has that lesson? If you know of a program, please pass it along, as I have initiated volunteering for our parish's CCD program this fall.

"Do not try to please everybody. Try to please God , the angels, and the saints. These are your public. If you are afraid of other people's opinion, you should not have become Christian." St John Vianney

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