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noelfitz - Member

I want to be in that number, when the saints go marching in.

In case any of you are wondering what your chances are for getting canonized, I looked at the thirteen saints canonized by Benedict XVI.

Three were female, all nuns, foundresses and European (two French, one Italian).

Ten were male, all Bishops (2), priests (6) or friars (2). Most were founders and all from Europe (Italy (3), Ukraine (2), Netherlands (1), Malta (1)) or from the Americas (Mexico, Brazil, Chile).

So your chances of being canonized are slim.

God bless,

NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 11 months ago #

lpioch - Moderator

Chance of being canonized may be slim,

But we should all strive to be canonizable saints nonetheless.

Posted 11 months ago #

MREINER16 - Member

We are all called to be saints and I have been lucky and blessed enough in my life to have known people who I think are now truly saints with the Lord, but of course not formally recognzied by the Church. I'm sure many of us know family members and friends who lived heroic and virtuous lives and to be quite honest with you, it is these people I often think of and pray to rather than the "big names" Saints

Posted 11 months ago #

AlvinaL - Inactive

It's true that all persons who lived a holy life are among the saints. "The Apostles Creed includes the communion of saints. The communion of saints is the Church." CCC 946 (canonized saints and non-canonized saints)

Sermons at a funeral often point out the Church’s teaching that we should pray for the deceased and ask them to pray for us. The study of Revelations makes us aware that the heavenly angels and all the saints are eager to help us with our struggles on earth.

Posted 11 months ago #

Protect the Rock - Moderator

Of B16's thirteen canonizations, I also noticed 100% are dead, making 100% of us still unqualified.

So much for statistics.

Posted 11 months ago #

bhokuto - Member

Pretty biased if you ask me. How many mothers have sacrificed their lives for their families and have gone on unnoticed? Many, countless.

This is just one example of the biased ways of the Vatican leadership.

The body of Christ consists of ALL. Not just clergy, religious, and priests.

A "saint" is one who lives the life of Christ no matter where they are, how they are related, what their vocation, calling, relation so forth. Once you have chosen to follow Christ you are "Called" doesn't matter if you are one of those above. God works in anyone who has faith, hope and charity.

Peace

Posted 11 months ago #

David T Garrison - Inactive

Bobo,

Welcome back. Saints are recognized by the Church so as to give an outward example to the faithful of how to live your life for Christ in various disciplines and walks of life. In this way, the Church encourages all the faithful no matter what their station in life.

The Vatican discerns the thousands upon thousands of requests for sainthood by the faithful. The Church elevates these faithful men and women because of their witness to Christ, not for the purpose of encouraging people to enter religious life or to recognize only those who do. Your statement is exactly what you preach against.

In Christ,

There, now you have a couple of little Abe Lincolns from me...

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 11 months ago #

Protect the Rock - Moderator

How many mothers have sacrificed their lives for their families and have gone on unnoticed? Many, countless...This is just one example of the biased ways of the Vatican leadership.

It is good to keep in mind that the Church teaches there are many more of her children in heaven than she can know for certain. Canonization, while important, is simply the formal recognition by the Church universal of the holiness of the person involved. Upon canonization, the name of the person can be put on the Church calendar, their memorial can be observed worldwide, and parish Churches can be named after them and so forth.

It would be wrong to somehow attribute selfish motives to the leadership of the Church.

The Church is open to considering causes of holy men and women from any station in life. Considering the very public nature of the recognition and the need for investigatiors to be able to verify aspects of the person's life, it should not be too surprising that bishops, priests, founders of religious orders, and consecrated men and women are most often brought up. Since the laity often labor in relative obscurity, it would be odd if they were more frequently recognized than the consecrated religious, wouldn't it?

Posted 11 months ago #

on a journey - Inactive

You are right on all counts PTR! Thanks for putting it so well. I especially like the "100% dead" comment myself!

Noel--is this what you were getting at with your post? That the church is biased in her cannonization process?

Jesus, I Trust in You!

Posted 11 months ago #

noelfitz - Member

PTR

You wrote:

...should not be too surprising that bishops, priests, founders of religious orders, and consecrated men and women are most often brought up.

The priest whom I have often written about here annually reminds his congregation that if they think lay folk are not recognised, dioscesan clergy are even more unacknowledged.

According to him only one pastor has been canonoized St John Vianney, the Cure of Ars. A curate (assistant pastor) has never been canonized.

God bless,

NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 11 months ago #

David T Garrison - Inactive

yeah, good job PTR!

There, now you have a couple of little Abe Lincolns from me... Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 11 months ago #

noelfitz - Member

On a Journey

You wrote:

Noel--is this what you were getting at with your post? That the church is biased in her cannonization process?

I just quoted statistics. I drew no conclusions. But I want to be in that number when the saints go marching in http://members.tripod.com/~Synergy_2/lyrics/saints.html.

We are trav'ling in the footsteps
Of those who've gone before
And we'll all be reunited,
On a new and sunlit shore,
Oh, when the saints go marching in,
Oh, when the saints go marching in
Lord how I want to be in that number
When the saints go marching in
And when the sun begins to shine
And when the sun begins to shine
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the sun begins to shine
Oh, when the saints go marching in,
Oh, when the saints go marching in
Lord how I want to be in that number
When the saints go marching in
Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the trumpet sounds its call
Oh, when the saints go marching in,
Oh, when the saints go marching in
Lord how I want to be in that number
When the saints go marching in

Words and Music by Unknown

God bless,

NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 11 months ago #

bhokuto - Member

God recognizes all. So I do not care about what the Leadership of our Church deems a "saint" according to their classification. Because If I waited for them, I would be disappointed. I just follow Christ the Shepherd and heed His call. I am reminded of the Apostles Creed.
The Gospels and Letters of the Scriptures.

I am reminded of St. Joan who it took 100 years to be recognized, Padre Pio after death. And so forth. So if I wait for man to decide, I would already be in Heaven. Which is what really counts to me to be in Heaven. I am passed this earthly recognition because there is no reward on this earth that compares to the reward of being with God in Heaven and all the host thereof. And who really knows what the saints were thinking to get their recognition inthe Church books?

we are all created to become saints, because a saint has all the virtues.
That is the perfection to have all virtues.

Peace

Posted 11 months ago #

David T Garrison - Inactive

Bobo,

You wrote, "And who really knows what the saints were thinking to get their recognition inthe Church books?"

I would proffer that they weren't ever thinking about becoming saints. Humility is probabbly all of the "recognized" saints foremost virtue.

In Christ,

There, now you have a couple of little Abe Lincolns from me...

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 11 months ago #

Winslow - Inactive

"So your chances of being canonized are slim."

Or, in my case, none.

Peace

Posted 11 months ago #

on a journey - Inactive

I'd like to be in that number too, Noel. And I think no one will ask whether we are "official" or not.

Jesus, I Trust in You!

Posted 11 months ago #

work in progress - Inactive

Ditto, Winslow! But that doesn't keep me from striving for humility and reaching for sainthood - however unrecognized my journey is to the world.

"The Catholic Church frames the Christian life as one in which you must exercise virtue—not because virtue saves you, but because that's the way God's grace gets manifested." Dr. Francis J. Beckwith

Posted 11 months ago #

gk - Member

I love this song! Imagine what that tune will sound like in Heaven. Even that is a good reason to get there. Imagine the sweetness!

GK - God is good!

Posted 11 months ago #

MREINER16 - Member

I wouldn't worry about convincing the Church of your sainthood-the only ONe who matters is the One who will Judge you.

Posted 11 months ago #

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