While the subject title reads what is below this however deserves
another rebuke by the Church, because this is aimed at what the Church teaches and what is unjust and undermines man and womans true creational purpose. A truly atheistic society devoid of Spirituality. However, when the laws of man
contradict the Laws of God, God has a way of pointing this out. Lets see what happens in the next few months.
Priest sued over seminar 'curing' homosexuality
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,2232741,00.html
Mike Elkin in Madrid
Friday December 28, 2007
The Guardian
A Spanish clergyman is to be investigated after complaints that he is holding seminars which aim to "rehabilitate homosexuals". Protestant minister Marcos Zapata, head of an organisation running youth centres for troubled children in Galicia, prompted the row after reports surfaced of a recent seminar he led entitled "How to Raise Heterosexual Children".
According to a journalist who attended the seminar, Zapata likened homosexuality to alcoholism and called it an illness, but said healing was possible through family therapy. In his family, he said, he reinforces masculine roles by watching professional wrestling with his two sons. Zapata also advised the audience to "hug your sons as much as you can, because if you don't, perhaps another man will".
Yesterday the Galician regional government said it would investigate Zapata to make sure the youth centres his organisation runs do not employ "any type of proselytising or homophobic attitudes" when dealing with minors.
Spain's gay and lesbian groups are planning legal action.
"After so many legal victories in this country, and for the first time people are talking openly about homosexuality in schools, we have to deal with fundamentalist groups which take us back to the Franco dictatorship," said Toni Poveda, the president of the National Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transsexuals and Bisexuals. "And of course we are going to try to stop this from happening. Sexual orientation is innate and there's no way to change it."
Despite progress against discrimination in Spain, several websites promote similar methods for "exorcising" homosexuality. Esposibleelcambio.org ("Change is possible") is run by Grupo Juan Pablo II, a lay group in Cadiz in southern Spain.
Peace
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This Deserves Another Rebuke
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Posted 1 year ago #
Homosexuality is not a disease but I truly believe a third gender. When boys find out (and girls) that they are attracted to the same sex, they find out at ages 11, 12, and 13. I don't think that if one dies in a car accident after finding this out about himself that God would condemn him/her to all eternity in hell at 11 years old. I just cannot believe this.
Somewhere down the line, in the Bible or not, something was misplaced. Gays are people too and being gay is not a choice. Myself, I do not agree with same sex marriage, nor do I believe in children being adopted by gays. Somewhere we must keep morality within the family. But to condemn these people who truly do not choose this is wrong. God loves everyone regardless, and He will judge and only Him.
Posted 1 year ago #
Benedict16,
I agree with you (and so does the Church) that we should not condemn a person because they have a same sex attraction. In Christ, we are all called to live in Him.
But we must realize there is a tremendous difference between having a same sex attraction and engaging in homosexual acts. The identity of a person is not their behavior.
We all sin; we all miss the mark. But we don't just accept sin in our lives, we repent -- it's a lifelong struggle. Christ's life, death, and resurrection saved us from our slavery to sin. Our sin does not name us -- Jesus Christ does.
It is not for us to judge people, but we must distinguish between actions which do God's will and those actions which are sinful.
Posted 1 year ago #
I agree with you PTK. And remember it was JP II that said we should not condemn homosexuals for being homosexuals. But that we should love them and encourage them not to engage in homosexual activity. In other words live a chaste life.
And Benedict 16, I to feel that homosexuals or gays should not be allowed to adopt children. Nor do I support same sex marriages or unions. Supporting that would be in support of homosexual activity.
There was some time ago a prominent Protestant minister that was caught in a homosexual relationship. He "excused" himself from his ministry and was later "cured" of his homosexual tendencies while involved in an intense "prayer session/retreat". I do not doubt that if God wanted to "cure" someone of his homosexuality He could. But the skeptical side of me says this "cure" the minister received is hog wash. First I do not think homosexuality is a disease. What causes it I'm not sure and really don't spend a great deal of time worrying about that aspect of it. I just feel that as Christians we need practice what JP II said we needed to.
tarheel
Posted 1 year ago #
I would say that alternate lifestyle is definitely a disorder in the person. If left untreated, such as confession, "the Sacarments" the tendency is to enter Sodom and Gomorrah. I highly doubt professional help these days because you never know their choice of sexual
preference. If the Church doesn't take a strong stance there's no hope for any of us.
But in any event the soul is unhappy with their predispostion.
I do however question this ministers methods. Watching wrestling, etc.,.
Only in God do we find our true calling and true selves.
Peace
preference. If the Church doesn't take a strong stance there's no hope for any of us.
But in any event the soul is unhappy with their predispostion.
I do however question this ministers methods. Watching wrestling, etc.,.
Only in God do we find our true calling and true selves.
Peace
Posted 1 year ago #
God loves you .
Try going through the NARTH website (http://www.narth.com/). Realize that homosexuality is a healable disorder; and mainly behavioral - introduced at young ages to susceptible persons due to their family lives; and, not 'natural' in any way.
I needn't despise the sinner to make note that his sin is a putrid excuse for a life.
Remember, I love you, too .
In our delighted glory in our Infant King,
Pristinus Sapienter
(wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
PS: That last sentence rang a bell - another topic - "Psalm 15, verse 4a"
Posted 1 year ago #
Once again Pristinus your wealth of knowledge has provided some enlightenment for us all. Oddly though after I visited it I began to wonder why I've never heard of this before.
Tarheel
Posted 1 year ago #
I am not too sure whether homosexuality is healable or not.
To me it seems a difficult burden, similar to alcoholism, not sinful in itself. An alcholic must try to curb his craving for alcohol, so must a homosexual curb his disordered craving. The homeosexual like the heterosexual should avoid sex outside marriage.
You might like to look at http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/popejohnpaulII.htm
In a letter “On the Pastoral Care of the Homosexual Person” the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirmed that homosexual attraction, while not sinful, “is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.”
God bless,
NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 1 year ago #
The success rate for 'curing' alchohlism is about the same , using the same techniques' as 'curing' homosexuality. Which is a good indicator the homosexuality is something people choose to engage in. Weather or not 'same sex attraction' can be overcome is an entirely different issue , but also rather a mute point as having being tempted to steal doesn't make you a thief and being tempted to drink doesn't make you an alcoholic. It is only when the will is routinely weakened by repeatedly giving into a wrong temptation that the proclivity to temptation becomes an addictive behavior.
Posted 1 year ago #
Catholics (and non-Catholics) have an awesome resource in a program called Courage which is described as:
an apostolate of the Roman Catholic Church that ministers to those with same-sex attractions and their loved ones. Courage has been endorsed by the Pontifical Council for the Family and our beloved John Paul II said of this ministry, "COURAGE is doing the work of God!" We also have an outreach called Encourage which ministers to relatives and friends of persons with same-sex attractions.
From our website (http://www.couragerc.net/) you will learn about homosexuality and chastity. By developing an interior life of chastity, which is the universal call to all Christians, one can move beyond the confines of the homosexual identity to a more complete one in Christ.
We, as Christians and Catholics, have to support programs like this one and fight to keep the normalization of these behaviors from growing. This is not just against those with homosexual desires, but everything that encourages unchaste living and the destruction of our families.
"The Catholic Church frames the Christian life as one in which you must exercise virtue—not because virtue saves you, but because that's the way God's grace gets manifested." Dr. Francis J. Beckwith
Posted 1 year ago #
<<Homosexuality is not a disease but I truly believe a third gender.>>>
B16, what are the genital charactistics of this third gender you speak of?
Posted 1 year ago #
Benedict,
Have you seen this site that was recommended by Warren in another thread? http://www.narth.com/
Very interesting reading.
In Christ,
Remember, the Sun is always shining!
Posted 1 year ago #
Winslow
I think she means hypothetically speaking not actual new set of genitals...... ;)
Peace
I think she means hypothetically speaking not actual new set of genitals...... ;)
Peace
Posted 1 year ago #
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