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  • Started 11 months ago by fishman
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fishman - Member

As a new father of my first child I thought I'd seek advice / insight from some of those who are more advanced in that journey then I.

Specifically a post by wip got me thinking.  How is it that there seems to be many catholics who live good lives, yet their children abandon the faith. 

I know if my daughter abandons the faith I will feel I have somehow failed to teach her.  Not that a parent can be held fully responsible for the decisions of their adult children , but specifically if you have children who did leave the faith after being raised catholic, what if any mistakes do you feel you made.

What do you wish you could have done differently.  Hoping to learn from the experience of others here to avoid mistakes if I can. 

 

Posted 11 months ago #
lpioch - Moderator

Congratulations, Christopher!

Unfortunately I can't give you any good advice since my oldest is only 8, and fully embraces the faith (to the extent that he can).  He is happy to get to go to Mass (especially when he gets to go extra, in addition to Sundays) and asks to go to Confession regularly (he goes once a month).

But I can tell you I have the same concerns as you.  I do know that there are NO GUARANTEES.  There's certainly no formula for you to follow that will ensure that they remain faithful.  In the end, as you said, that is really between them and their heavenly Father.

But I DO pray daily that each child remain in God's graces, that they never fall away from the Church, and that they listen, hear, and respond to God's call to them.  (Then I slip in my own - Mom's - preferences to the priesthood or to celibate vocation, if it is God's will.)

Then, I make sure to try to live my own vocational call to the best of my ability, trying not to refuse the graces God gives me on a daily, hourly basis.  That's the harder part.  But I think that's what God will ask each of us in the end.

He won't say, "Well, why did your child fall away from me?"  He will ask, "Well, why did you not live your life as a better example of how to stay and remain with me?"

Was it Don Bosco that had the vision of all the children that made it to Heaven because of him?  Then in his vision, he heard, "But there would have been many more if only you had more faith."  Ouch.

Posted 11 months ago #
Winslow - Inactive

He *asks* to go to confession?!  Wow!  Sounds like you got someone special there!

 

Fishman, congratulations on your new daughter.  You're already being a good father to her by the concerns you express.  I have 2 daughters, 31 and 29.  Neither has left the Faith, they still go to Mass every Sunday, but maybe I can offer a few suggestions.  The first has to do with being a parent generally.

 

Your daughter will sooner do what you (and your wife) do than what you tell her to do.  You are the first and most important teacher of your children.  How you approach your faith will have a distinct effect on how they approach theirs.  If you dress up on Sunday morning they'll come to understand, on their own, that Mass is something special unrelated to a trip to the mall or the playground.  (There's one father of a young by in our parish who comes to Mass in a rocker t-shirt with a death's head on it.  The guy hasn't got a clue.)  If you avoid idle chatter in church, they'll come to realize church is a special place which requires its own special behavior.  If they see their parents devout in their prayers, they will emulate them.  It isn't that complicated.

 

Television is an incredibly powerful, negative influence on children, as are, I'm sorry to say, public schools.  There's no way to avoid them, but I think it's wise to constantly be aware of what that influence is and, where it's morally degrading, guard against it and oppose it actively.

 

When they are young, talk to your children as if they are intelligent people.  Not as adults, necessarily, but as people on their way to being adults.  They'll learn to speak sooner, have a broader vocabulary sooner and will be easier to educate. 

Don't be afraid to discipline them when it's necessary; and it will, from time to time, be necessary.  They need to know there is are bosses in the house and the bosses are you and their mother. 

Keep a happy, loving home and they will develop the confidence to stand up straight in the world.  This above all; to thine own self be true...    Well, forget that part. 

Good luck and God bless you and your family.

 

Peace

Posted 11 months ago #
Tarheel - Member

Congrats on being a new Dad.  It is a wonderful experience and journey.  My wife and I have two son's ages 20 and 16.  And like you I too have wondered or feared if my son's would remain "in the faith".   And it is something all Catholic parents need to be concerned with.  As Winslow stated there are a lot of negative influences that will affect our children.  As parents we can't allows protect them from everything but we can provide them lots of "tools or weapons".  Mainly what I am talking about is educating you daughter in every aspect of our faith.  Let her watch you and wife embrace our Catholic faith and show openly a love for Christ and all his teachings. 

 

Wen it comes to teaching, my wife and I did (more by coincidence than plan) a two fold plan.  My wife being the cradle Catholic (I'm a convert) she took it upon herself to teach our sons when they were small.  It was a lot like do as mommy and dad does.  She taught them to say simple prayers and to talk to Jesus openly.  She also taught them that Jesus, His Mother Mary, and all the saints are here to protect them.  Now this was when they were very young.  And as they got near pre-school age she started explaining why we Catholics do what we do.  And as they became older the explaining why in more detail became my job.  And when my wife thought I was doing a good enough job she told/encouraged me to become a catechist.  I feel strongly that all members of the Church need to know why we do what we do.  What is the importance and significance of our practices. 

 

With these "weapons and tools" I feel confident that any child will remain true to the faith.  But you will have a scare so to speak about the time your daughter reaches her teens.  She will more than likely be attracted to some Protestant functions as they have some very attractive teen programs.  I have experienced this with both my sons and admittedly I got outraged when I saw their attraction to the "fun" part of protestantism.  And that is what they (the children) see.  I know in my heart this fun is being used as a 'hook' by the protestant to attract teens.  Not saying it is bad or anything but I knew it was not for my child.  What i had to do was to sit down with each son and explain all the joys of our faith and prove to each that our Church was the Church Christ started.  It was fairly easy because of the good foundation my wife and I had laid down early in their years.  And now at there ages they attend mass very regularly as in every Sunday with me and my wife.  They attend on occasions a weekly novena service that we attend at a Friends house.  Both will tell that when (on the rare occasion) they do miss Mass they feel unfulfilled.

My oldest son has commented that he doesn't like to date girls that are not catholic.  And his coracle of friends are all Catholic for the most part.  And tomorrow he will be a sponsor for a Friend of his that is making the "Rite of Entry for Confirmation"  And here is quote form a latter my youngest wrote to the Bishop as a project in our diocese for confirmation.  The bishop when he was addressing all the candidates used the as a good example of Catholic up bringing "being Catholic is all I know." 

 

It will be the foundation of knowledge you give your children in their early years that will make them stringer as they grow.

 

Tarheel (Dave)

Posted 11 months ago #
michaelme - Member
Christopher: Happy congratulations! Wonderful news. I can't say that I've any advice either since, like Loretta, mine are still young. We do pray for the intercession of St. Monica, ask as our rosary intention that they despise sin, and regularly seek to add our prayers to those of their guardian angels (whom I believe to be more powerful than often credited) in order to 1. help keep our eyes on the prize and 2., help them understand the importance of the gift they've been given. In Christ, Michael
"The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried"
- GK Chesterton "The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - also GKC
Posted 11 months ago #
bhokuto - Member
If you teach them to first Love Jesus and talk about parables of Jesus, read the scriptures along with them, teach them what is right and wrong so they know truth right off the bat.  Teach them the Rosary, and other prayers. Teach them about God and love them dearly.  

Try not to leave the responsibility to the others as is the mistake with majority of people who have children.  God gave you this child for you to raise, her soul is a testament to this fact.  God trusts you to raise her in His ways.  Ask for Gods guiding
hand daily in deep thought prayer and it will come to you.


Peace
Posted 11 months ago #

Hey Fishman. Congrats on being a father!!

 

Being a parent is the most wonderful responsibility i have ever had in my life. And i am glad that you see that your priority is the soul of your little one, as it should be. 

 

Before we had suffered my brother moving away from the faith, i would have immediately jumped into your post to reply that maybe the parents did not guide the child properly in the faith. However, i know better. because my brother, myself and little sister were raised by a very wonderful mother. My mother to this day attends daily mass. And she travels a lot! But always ensures that she searches ahead of time for a church. We prayed the rosary daily and she recounted stories of saints to us. Things started taking a left turn when we separated from our parents and moved to become independent adults.

 

I strayed, not from the faith, but in my practices. As did my brother. But for some reason, i went through a great conversion, this time falling in love with Our Lord, rather than just going to church because mum said so. It became going to church and participating at mass with all my heart. 

 

What am i getting at? The temptation bombarding us daily is relentless. Satan wants to win. And unfortunately, my brother's weakness is that he wants so much knowledge. And i can see now that all that acquisition of whatever knowledge he was seeking has only resulted in him being proud and arrogant, ready and willing to challenge all. Even God. This can happen to anyone. When you don't feed your soul and spiritual life, you compensate in earthly perishables.

 

It is truly sad and heartbreaking. However, when his friend died recently, he confessed that all he could think of doing was saying a prayer. SEE!!

 

My mother did instill that seed. And that's all we can do as parents. Keep teaching by example and keep praying for our children. Never compromising God's truth to seek societal approval. God's grace will prevail for them. There is no easy fix. The best thing i can say is that seek to have as open a relationship with your child as you can. And teach them humility and service for others. And finally, instill in your child the sense of them living their life through God's eyes. So that at the end of the day, when they stray or attempt to do so, this little lesson will resonate somewhere inside and they will seek out our Lord again. Also Pray as a family. 

 

God Bless 

 

 

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