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The Golden Compass in K-8 Catholic school?

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rjfarel - Inactive

Does anyone have any knowledge of a K-8 Catholic school debating whether to include Philip Pullman's books in its library?

 

Has any K-8 Catholic school debated the distribution of Scholastic book orders that promote The Golden Compass?

Posted 1 year ago #
on a journey - Inactive
are you a lawyer looking for a lawsuit?.....are you the ACLU? ......
Posted 1 year ago #
rjfarel - Inactive

I train radical papists.

 

I teach 7th and 8th grade religion in a K-8 Catholic school.

 

To my astonishment, we are having a debate in our school as to the appropriateness of these books. I am curious as to what similar experiences others might have, or be having.

Posted 1 year ago #
on a journey - Inactive

okay, I was only partly joking......

 

I too am astonished that you are having a debate about these books in your Catholic school.....(careful, we may be giving fodder for the anti-Catholic-schoolers on this site.....).

 

when I first read about the books/movie--thanks Catholic League AND Catholic Exchange--I immediately went to the principal and the librarian to find out if the books were already in the school (negative) and to assure that they would be dropped from any subsequent book fair.  I also went to a parent who is an avid reader and asked her to read them---then SHE made the plug to the parents and even went so far as to write a letter to the local newspaper.  Our PSR children have been "informed" as well. 

Has anyone in the school--admin or parent--actually READ the books?

 

Jesus, I Trust in You!

Posted 1 year ago #
yanastrovich - Inactive

rjfarel, I am sorry to say I have not read the books nor watched the film, however, I have an opinion that is shared by the Catholic Conference of [American] Bishops that the Catechism is memorized at some point in time K-8. It is problematic to study and research inappropriate materials in eductation when the prime goal is to study and research the Catholic faith in it's entirety and to model the behaviors of the true Christian. The problem with giving attention to inappropriate materials is that it is terribly time consuming as the volumes of bad journalism would bury the school and the children in paper.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

Posted 1 year ago #
Zachaeus - Member

rjfarel, This book is currently "all the rage" in some parts of Canada. If you want a deeper look into the controversy in a few Canadian schools click here.

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

I read that the Catholic League Slams US Catholic Bishops Conference Positive Review of Golden Compass  (http://www.catholicexchange.com/en/node/67797).

I find it very discouraging when Catholic Bishops are attacked by Catholics.

Consider the USCCB and the Catholic League.  

Which would you support? 

I would support the Bishops.   

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USCCB http://www.usccb.org/whoweare.shtml:

 

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) is an assembly of the hierarchy of the United States and the U.S. Virgin Islands who jointly exercise certain pastoral functions on behalf of the Christian faithful of the United States. The purpose of the Conference is to promote the greater good which the Church offers humankind, especially through forms and programs of the apostolate fittingly adapted to the circumstances of time and place. This purpose is drawn from the universal law of the Church and applies to the episcopal conferences which are established all over the world for the same purpose.  

 

The Catholic League http://www.catholicexchange.com/en/node/67797

The Catholic League is the nation's largest Catholic civil rights organization. Founded in 1973 by the late Father Virgil C. Blum, S.J., the Catholic League defends the right of Catholics – lay and clergy alike – to participate in American public life without defamation or discrimination.  Motivated by the letter and the spirit of the First Amendment, the Catholic League works to safeguard both the religious freedom rights and the free speech rights of Catholics whenever and wherever they are threatened.

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God bless,


NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 1 year ago #
payton1997 - Inactive
the golden compas is a movie made by a person against god have u watched it if u did ur wrong beacuse every crishton nows not to watch it
Posted 1 year ago #
lpioch - Moderator

Noelfitz,

The movie reviewer(s) is(are) not a bishop.

I do not support him.

I side with the Catholic League. 

I cannot fathom why the bishops do not do the reviews themselves, except that they do not have the time.  Hence, they seem to delegate this function.  This means they can no longer claim to put their own stamp-of-approval on it. 

Either they need to find a bishop to do the reviews or cease to put these reviews out.

Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

Lpioch,

I concur.

payton1997,

thank God for the Catholic League and it's defense of the faith. 

In Christ,

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
on a journey - Inactive

Although we've yet to see it, the editor of our diocese newspaper intends to print only a small part of the USCCB review as well as additional information regarding the books bring to light the intent of the author, etc.

 

No, I don't trust this office of the USCCB.  Like you lpioch--either have better ovesight or get out of the business of reviewing movies.

 

Jesus, I Trust in You!

Posted 1 year ago #
dancingcrane - Inactive

Harry Forbes is the Director of the USCCB Office for Film and Broadcasting. He and his subordinate John Mulderig are neither bishops  nor priests. They are also responsible for the glowing USCCB review of 'Brokeback Mountain', the gay cowboy love story of a few years ago.

The Catholic League is sounding an appropriate warning about who is allowed to speak in the bishops' name. Because of such abuses of position by laymen voicing their own opinions, rather than the mind of the bishops, I myself do not look to the USCCB itself for leadership, but directly to Pope Benedict himself, and those individual bishops who show by word and action that they are in communion with him.

I love and pray for our shepherds, and long for their leadership in these times. Even Canon Law allows laymen to appeal to their shepherds to lead them according to the mind of Christ...

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"We must all love one another with no return, no conditions or limitations. In order for us to extend such love, we must immerse ourselves in the fountain of love: Jesus- Christ, through prayers and Eucharistic sacrament.” St. Charbel

Posted 1 year ago #
noelfitz - Member

David

You wrote:

thank God for the Catholic League and it's defense of the faith. 

Also, thank God for the bishops and their defence of the faith.

Dancingcranne

You wrote:

 Because of such abuses of position by laymen voicing their own opinions, rather than the mind of the bishops, I myself do not look to the USCCB itself for leadership, but directly to Pope Benedict himself, and those individual bishops who show by word and action that they are in communion with him.

Is it an abuse for  laymen (or laywomen) to voice their own opinions?  If so I regret the abuses I have contributed to this roundtable.

I think it is a good idea to look directly to Pope Benedict himself.  How is it done?  Does he talk to you directly and give you leadership, without bishops or priests.  Anpther option might be to get leadership directly from the Holy Spirit without bishops, priests or other authorities. 

How do I find out if my bishop is in communion with the Pope?

God bless,


NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

Noel,

I also commend those bishops who defend the faith. In authorizing the release of a positive review of a movie that represents a book whose author detests the notion of God, I will voice my opinion that such a review is wrong.

If a bishop told me that I should watch such a movie, I would tell him that he was wrong. If a bishop told me that Christ was not present in the Eucharist etc., etc., is how you can tell if a bishop is in communion with the pope.

Since what they did was authorize, by use of their office, established by them, a favorable review of this movie, I do not see this as being fatally flawed but it needs to be addressed as Loretta has suggested: either get involved personally or get out of the movie review business. I'm a simple man who accepts simple solutions. Obviously, the reviewer did not use the guidance of the Holy Spirit in his review!

In Christ,

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
Protect the Rock - Moderator

I read somewhere that the definition of "scandal" is to spread confusion.

A positive movie review in the name of the Catholic bishops recommending a film based on books which aim "to kill God" and present evil as good and good as evil definitely spreads confusion.

Thanks a lot, Mr. Forbes!

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member
I heard these books are written by atheists and used by them to kill Catholicism.
So I would not be so surprised about this becoming an series of uproars here and there
and probably people losing jobs over this.

Watch EWTN;  The World Over they talk about stuff like this.

Peace
Posted 1 year ago #
Winslow - Inactive

In "The Golden Compass" an authority called The Magesterium is the bad guy and is triumphantly destroyed in the end.  The author's use of "The Magesterium" is not a coincidence.

 

I would choose the Catholic League over the US bishops *every* *single* *time!*

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member
Yes, Good one Winslow,

These Atheists are really going head strong to kill Catholicism, Jewish religion, Protestants, and the true aim is Jesus Christ,  GOD.  They want a world to control for themselves. Because they feel that religion has caused all these problems they have been left with. How ignorant. 
As if they are the Chosen Race of People to make decisions for all
mankind.  They are truly dictators.  Insistant on ruling by thumb, do as I say and not as I do.  Do for me! Proud! Sounds like someone we know well!  Satan, Lucifer, the Devil.

If they read the bible with God instructing them they would realize and see that it was not God who caused the evil to run amuck.  We call them atheists but really they are Anti-God, Anti-Christ, Anti-Jewish Religion, Well Anti-Religion.  they believe in Money, Power and Science.  No God.  They would feel much better if the world had no worshipping buildings, signs, books and such.  No religious anything!  Anti-Good.

Peace
Posted 1 year ago #

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