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The word "Apostolate"

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zinnia - Inactive

Are there any ecclesiastic wordsmiths in here who want to expound on the use of the word "apostolate" in the Roman Catholic Church?

 Is it a legitimate label for a private Catholic business, similar to this forum or an independent study? Are Catholics who intend to do evangelical work misleading others about their actual authority within the church if they label themselves this way?

In my opinion right now, they are, but I really never thought about it until I recently encountered the word being used by someone who has tried to characterize me and a few others as "non-Catholic' because we turned down an opportunity to enroll in one of his seminars. The incident was laughable, but the use of this word still bothers me and I want some educated opinions because I really don't know what to think of it.

Is it schismatic? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted 1 year ago #
lpioch - Moderator

The way I use the term "apostolate" is any activity (prayer included!) that satisfies our Baptismal REQUIREMENT to "go out and preach the Good News".

With that (very broad) definition, all Baptized are required to do apostolate.

For some reason, however, I do think that in certain circles (and I don't know which ones or why), the term can have very negative connotations.

Posted 1 year ago #
dado - Member

Have a look at this article from Fr. John Hardon on lay apostolate:

www.therealpresence.org/archives/Apostolate/Apostolate_001.htm

 Also look up the following vatican II document:  Apostolicam Actuositatem, Decree On the Apostolate of the Laity, 1965

Dado

AMDG

Posted 1 year ago #
zinnia - Inactive

 Thank you. That article is a good one, and it confirms what a priest told me this week: that the word is really a general description of the role or scope of activity, sort of like the word "ministry" in many Protestant circles, and it is more accurately related to a group than to an individual. Such as the "laity" being distiguished from the clergy.

 

When used by an individual layperson to imply his thoughts about theology or his position in a parish carry authority, that is a fraudulent use of the term. Some people in my parish are trying to push the priesthood away from the position of spiritual authority in the church by suggesting this fellow has higher authority.

 

I went to a class that was supposed to be part of our regular Lenten Bible study, but the teacher spoke on and on about how wonderful this guy is, and no mention of Jesus or of the Scripture we were supposed to be studying until I said "uh, excuse me, isn't this the Book of Luke class? Where's Luke?" *LOL*....

 

I hadn't noticed his references to himself as an "apostolate" until I got curious about some payment buttons he has linked from some Catholic sites and I clicked them. Only the people who have been sucked in far enough to want to give this guy money are seeing him refer to himself this way, and they are not the ones who are likely to know that he is teaching a lot of non-doctrinal stuff.

 

My priest has counseled forgiveness of this guy and defended him, because he cleverly denies the non-doctrinal message when he is questioned by a priest, and of course the priest never had any reason to push his donation button, so he did not see the reason why some people think this man has "authority" in the church. 

I showed the priest the button and the way it was misleading people to thinking they were still supporting the parish if they gave money. He was surprised to see it and did not counsel any forgiveness this time. I think something is finally going to be done about this young man. I don't want the guy kicked out, but just removed from a position of responsibility until he gets his priorities straight.

 

We have to be on guard about stuff like this. This particular incident is similar to other cults that can become very dangerous: an attractive and egotistical leader starts pulling people into a circle around himself and then leads them into a separatist group where they lose all their connections to the true church. I noticed that the group who most revere this particular guy included some vulnerable elderly who were converts, and he is exploiting their ignorance of Catholic customs that are not obvious to people who did not grow up inside the Church.

 

One sure way to sniff out a cult-builder is that when you try to point out the non-doctrinal content of a teaching, instead of discussing doctrine, the followers start yelling at you that you are calling this wonderful person "non-Catholic" and you are blocking his evangelism and they start naming all the other people who love him, making the whole thing a popularity or ego-contest and not a discussion of doctrine at all. Then you notice that you are followed around by people trying to convert you into becoming one of his followers. It can get ugly.

 Makes you think you accidently tuned into a Catholic version of "American Idol" on one of Simon's bad nights! *LOL*

 

 

  

 

 

 

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I am but a small flower among showers of roses

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . 'small flower', but with the heart of an apostle! You had an 'apostolic' moment in meeting with your pastor to keep this sad person from spreading any more faulty 'evangelization' around. You belonged to an apostolate - however momentary and informal - of protecting the deposit of faith. K-O-O-L! Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
zinnia - Inactive

Well, call me the "reluctant apostle", then.... I really hate that these things happen and I'm always the little kid pointing at the king's bare @## and it makes life so hard for me when I just want to relax and enjoy some good fellowship! 

But I am finally learning the value of the longer, narrower path. Some of the "faulty evangelization" was easy for me to tolerate in the past as another way of looking at things until I saw the damage it does, and I had to explain this to myself in order to go to the priest.

This is one of the key things that pop up all the time as a special challenge for Catholics: the "abundance" heresy. Sure, we are called to appreciate and enjoy the good things God gives us in life, but when you tip that idea over into another idea, which is that IF God LOVES you, you will be MATERIALLY blessed, then this becomes a spiritual justification for treating people badly, even doing them real harm, if they fail to measure up to your own expectations of material wealth.

It causes you to doubt your own place in God's plan if you struggle with financial poverty. It causes young people to become so fearful of not having the "latest" styles that they will steal rather than shop in a thrift store.

I have lost a lot of money over the years because my natural optimism was channeled into a kind of gambling addiction that was triggered by this "don't worry, God will supply" attitude. This attitude is ok for getting through a rough patch, but it is not ok as an attempt to live up to the expectations of people who want to see material wealth as "proof" of "citizenship" in the Holy Kingdom. It is an occasion of all kinds of serious sins. These "abundance" preachers don't seem to understand what they are doing.

 

Jesus said "The poor will always be with you" as a means of teaching us to just accept and, in fact, enjoy poverty, not as an instruction to be always promoting wealth.

 

 

 

 

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I am but a small flower among showers of roses

Posted 1 year ago #
needasaint - Inactive

Amen Zinnia!

Jesus was born in a manger, His parents were poor, they fled to Egypt, He had no place to lay His head or call home wherever He went.  He had no money!  God does provide for the necessary as you stated.  Anything else is avarice.  This is a short stay compared to eternity.

The more we become povertized the more rich we become in our souls.  How true this is!

 

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . 'Poverty in spirit' has less to do with money than than with avarice. This poverty is the humble, grateful realization of God first and foremost, and things material only of use for God's will. That said, I'd like to be able to dole my wealth out in shovels and wheelbarrows rather than just my fingers. Of Mother Angelica's Temple Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Hanceville, Alabama, just five wealthy Catholic families provided her funding. Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
Protect the Rock - Moderator

From the Vatican document:

The Church was founded for the purpose of spreading the kingdom of Christ throughout the earth for the glory of God the Father, to enable all men to share in His saving redemption, and that through them the whole world might enter into a relationship with Christ.

All activity of the Mystical Body directed to the attainment of this goal is called the apostolate, which the Church carries on in various ways through all her members.

For the Christian vocation, by its very nature, is also a vocation to the apostolate.

No part of the structure of a living body is merely passive but has a share in the functions as well as life of the body:

So, too, in the body of Christ, which is the Church, "the whole body . . . in keeping with the proper activity of each part, derives its increase from its own internal development" (Eph. 4:16).

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So that is what the Church is talking about when she uses the word aposotolate.  If we make the word into more, less, or something different from that, then we need to reconcile what we are talking about with what the Church is talking about when using this term.

PTR!

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Well summarized, Protector . . . . . . and, hence, the Chinese priest who quietly makes rounds for which he might pay with his life bears his apostolate . . . . . . so, too, the little nun before the Blessed Sacrament and in her cell for hours in contemplative prayer for the repose of souls and salvation of all has her apostolate . . . . . . and zinnia and Protect The Rock, et al, here among a community at the roundtable attend to parts of their own apostolate, as this venue permits. Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
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