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Oppose Prejudice...

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pouliot - Member
Please help oppose prejudice. Mr. Bob Verdun, a resident of Ontario and an investor in Canadian land, has expressed some extreme views about indigenous people. Please read about him, visit his sites (url's are listed in the article) then help teach this person a more Christian view of other people. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/168660
Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

intresting article:

The man looks like he is a probably overly harsh towards Canadians native americans.  The few of whom I have met I think are very nice people.

 

on the other hand as an american I vehimently disagree with the existance of 'hate speach' laws.  I believe in unrestricted speach.

It is better to arrest people for rioting and killing then to stop them from talkinga about it and the reason is simple and canda a good example of it.

 

Catholic priest are afraid to state the fact that being a homosexual is sin which can cause you to lose your soul and forever be condemned to hell , because such things are considered 'hate speach' and they can be jailed for it.  How long will it be before anyone who equates murder and abortion will be convicted of 'hate speach against women'.  How long will it be before the catholic church in canada is banned as an illigal orginization because it promotes 'hate against homosexuals'.

 

so where as I do not agree with what the man says.  I support his right to say it.

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
To: Fishman
RE: "I support his right to say it."
And I your rights here.

However, freedom of speech does not extend to screaming fire in a crowded theatre when there is no fire.

Similarly, no one should be allowed to call for violence against any class of people.  By extension, if I say things which incite others to violence against a specific class of people, and if with ordinary reason I can conclude that violence actually could occur, I have a moral right to be quiet.  The law should be judiciously employed in whatever case arises.  To save the bathwater, one should not accept that it be bloodied.

Further, regardless of the legal rights in such cases, we are all obliged to correct the stray sheep.

Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
fishman - Member

On this i disagree.  If you are speaking the truth about something you should not be silent.  if people actually knowing the truth causes bloodshed it is not the fault of speaker. Peace at all cost is not a morally acceptable goal.  Even if someone is speaking a lie but believes it is true they should not be silenced by the law.  They should be silenced by being ignored. I do no think a person should be punished for even for inciting someone to riot.  They should be held responsible for the riot itself if and when it occurs.  If the rest of the people around them realize the person is an idiot and don't riot no harm has been done.  On the other hand placing the power to decide what is and is not true based on weather or not it threatens the interest of various groups within the society in the hands of government is very very dangerous.

 Today saying homosexuality is a sin may be labeld a hate crime because people might not treat homosexuals with equality because of it. tomarrow saying pediphelia is a sin may be labled a hate crime for the same reason.  Saying abortion is a sin can be a hate crime because you are opposing the natural right of women.  ect etc.  it is all a matter of interpretation by  whomever might be in power at the time.

what is and is not a hate crime becomes a arbitrary matter for whomever happens to be in power today to use it is censorship plain and simple. 

 

 

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
To: Fishman
RE: "If you are speaking the truth about something you should not be silent. "
Then I supose that you would not have exercised the same prudence the Pope exercised during WWII about the Nazi pogrom against the Jews.  Also, I suppose that had Benedict known that his remarks would lead to the murder of a priest by Islamists, that he would have been correct to go ahead anyway?  I would like to convince you that the behavior pattern you are advocating is not at all optimum even, and perhaps especially not, for advancing the Kingdom.  Not everything that is true should be stated or shared.  If the soul of the auditor is imminently at astake, maybe it could be rationalized.  You ought to be able to come up with cases of your own that show the behavior you advocate is not always and everywhere wise.  I will come back later with one.  Also, please note, I am not calling for censorship of this speaker, although I believe the editor exercised very poor judgment indeed in publishing this.
Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member

To live and let live without a Christian moral conscience.  The world doesn't care about God and his morals. They just want to live here and now and if they can cheat death hey more power to you.

From Gods perspective this is rebellion.  But from the human point of view it's live to fullest extent in their short lives. 

Reverberations, "for my kind of thinking and living"  "We just want to be able to do this", "make it legal so I can be protected by the law", it should be law attitude.  This keeps those bible beating preachers off my back.  My conscience can't take the heat. I want to sleep at night.  

To get caught up in politics leads to moral decay. Since when does politics agree with religion? Never. There's two or three sides to every issue. Everyone is correct from their point of view.

The good thing about God's laws they never change. The good thing about mans laws he can change it to suit his needs.   

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