RE: "...The fact he claims is because America is supporting Israel is the reason for Americas very reason for existence. This line of thinking is very protestant. Not Catholic. That was my point. *** Ever hear Bishop Sheen? He said in so few words that God created America to help other poor countries, to help do away with the radicals like Hitler, the Axist alliance, Communists or lets put it this way, Restrain them for a time, until they manifest their true nature...."

In any case, the first assertion is intriguing enough by itself.  Do you think that because this is a Protestant idea (US exists for Israel's sake) that it cannot be true?

Regards,

Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic and amateur at almost all things attempted

To: Need-A-Saint

RE: "...The fact he claims is because America is supporting Israel is the reason for Americas very reason for existence. This line of thinking is very protestant. Not Catholic.

That was my point.
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Ever hear Bishop Sheen? He said in so few words that God created America to help other poor countries, to help do away with the radicals like Hitler, the Axist alliance, Communists or lets put it this way, Restrain them for a time, until they manifest their true nature...."

To me these seem like contrary assertions. 

In any case, the first assertion is intriguing enough by itself.  Do you think that because this is a Protestant idea (US exists for Israel's sake) that it cannot be true?

While it may or may not be true, thinking this way is incorrect and leads to errors biblically speaking.  That is not the Gospel. Nor does this country stand because of Israel. What about Japan? or South Korea? Or Cuba? Or Mexico? Africa? Other countries? If this is the case then these other countries would not benefit? Or is it because this country is an ally of Israel?  Ally's betray? So to be blunt, this thinking is biblically incorrect.  God says I will raise, Also God gives and God takes away.

The second point is God raises money to help the poor. That is the reason.   

Matthew 5 beattitudes, blessed are the poor in spirit for there's in the kingdom of heaven. Poor in spirit are living in poverty, persecuted, strangers, rejected, thrust out, abandoned, sick. 

Here's another contort for you:  Jesus says the poor you will always have with you but you will not always have me among you.  He was speaking to Judas about the woman pouring expensive alabaster oil and some ointment.

Third equation:  Lets look at countries that are in turmoil. Have they rejected God?

In this country we have christian roots that go way back to it's inception. What are we saying to them, the dead and gone, that they solely existed for the sole purpose of supporting and allying with Israel in the future? 

Here's another view:  God made this country, to make Israel jealous.  How can I say that? Well if you are familiar with the Old Testament, where in the Law was given that God had chosen Israel to feed other nations, that other nations would come to them for help, trade, protection, all things would flow from them that other nations needed or required.  To show there is a God and He had chosen Israel, but lets take a deeper look and say this that there is a God and all nations can come to God for help and nuturing.

Does this make any sense yet? 

All things point to God that is the bottom line. Getting caught in some thinking that gets one into errors that cause other truths to be shunted. 

Over night the enemy was out sewing seeds of discontentment.

Peace be with you.

I do not believe violence is the correct measure to be taken.  Our Faith forbids this, because Jesus did no violence.  He went to the Skull, carrying His Cross.  This has several illustrations we can use for our everyday life, our own individual issues. 

He was True Man:  In Lent we focus on His 40 days of fasting and preparing for His Mission.  He slept in a cave, rocks were His comfort.  He ate nothing nor drank nothing for 40 days.  He denied the flesh in order to be one with the Father.  He felt all the pains and sufferings and lived them. Then after the fasting while being totally emaciated and exhausted, the devil appears to Him to tempt Him, to bring Him to the point of abusing His Messaiah, Redeemer, where He rules with Iron(King)

[ Jesus came as Messaiah, Redeemer the First Time.  The Second time He comes as King, Fully God ]

As man Jesus came to show us that man can achieve power over the flesh.  What was the First Adam?  He was Pure and Holy.  After the Fall Adam became an animal losing his spirituality. Lowered himself to that of an animal. Angels are spirits, God is a Spirit, Man was Gods perfection in creation. This being a Soul with Flesh and Blood like an animal.  Among all the beasts in the field only Man stands upright and has a soul, that animals may know Man is king among this world.  But that went by the wayside and Satan took over mens hearts through the seduction of a woman.  God created Adam and Eve, man and woman to love each other endlessly and to have rule over not only his animal nature, his animal kingdom as well.  The Soul, in man, is an Image of God.  God told the animals to obey the upright animal who has a soul, because in obeying my Image in this animal you obey Me.

So now Satan has mens hearts and it is a struggle to pull them away from, sensuality, pride, avarice.  Man without the knowledge of God in his own heart, goes the way of these three branches Sensuality, Pride and Avarice.  The root being self worship, being made a lesser God. 

Now if we who are called according to His Grace go the route of violence we make God a liar, for God is Love.  James says there is only one Judge who is able to destroy and to deliver.  We cannot make this ascertion to deliver judgement such as this. What you are saying is an eye for an eye, tooth fo r tooth, this is what the radicals teach.  You are falling pray to the tempter who has beguiled you to such and lowered yourself to their nature.  Our True nature is of the Second Adam who gave into no such things.  But instead humbled himself to the death of a Cross.

James 

4:12 There is one lawgiver, and judge, that is able to destroy and to deliver.

5:9 Grudge not, brethren, one against another, that you may not be judged. Behold the judge standeth before the door.

5:10 Take, my brethren, for an example of suffering evil, of labour and patience, the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord.

Let me now add to verse 10, take for example our bretheren, James, Peter, John, Paul, and Jesus, etc...

Peace be with you