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How can we become more active in promoting a Pro-Life culture outside of politics?
(15 posts)I thought about this as well, and I was thinking about it with regards to what we as a family could do. (My kids are only 8, 6, and 4.) What would we do, as a society, if Roe v Wade was overturned tomorrow? Would we be in a position to help all mothers that would have turned to abortion? I suspect immediately, we would not. I also suspect that once we wake up to the need, we would respond very generously. Until then, I chose to help support a crisis pregnancy center in our area. My children don't know about abortion (we just started talking to the 8 year old about it for various reasons) but they do know that we are helping out pregnant mommies that are having a difficult time. They go in maybe 2 or 3 times a year and help organize stuff in the office. They also donate a little of their own money (as well as Mom and Dad) and pray for them.
I think working with the women that need the compassion and charity (love) is the best way to combat abortion...one person at a time.
I bring to you Revelations Chapter 6:2 And I saw: and behold a white horse, and he that sat on him had a bow, and there was a crown given him, and he went forth conquering that he might conquer. White horse... He that sitteth on the white horse is Christ, going forth to subdue the world by his gospel. The other horses that follow represent the judgments and punishment that were to fall on the enemies of Christ and his church. The red horse signifies war; the black horse, famine; and the pale horse (which has Death for its rider), plagues or pestilence.
This day is vastly approaching, this is not the second coming but the battle of Christ
and His Church. during this time much will happen; many will be free from addictions, loosed from Satans grip on those who see; we must
pray for graces to rain down on people daily to loosen the grip of Satan on poor souls who try desperately to break bad habits, addictions and so forth. Abortion is one.
When the Red Dragon in Chapter 12 is kicked out of the spiritual realm over the earth and not Heaven (Satan and his angels were kicked out previously this time they will be thrown down to the earth for their power is over the earth right now; read Ephesians 6) they will be earth bound no longer powers and principalities "over" the air. Having their wings clipped sort of speaking. This will cause a shift in power balance and Satan than becomes desperate and read 12 and 13 for what happens, deperation leads to deperate measures. Many will be free, so it is of the utmost importance to pray for souls right now and not be confuse about the current issues. Amen.
Peace
Praise and thanks to God for all the sincere, capable, conscientious people who do all that they can, to combat the devastation of abortion. Surely, all initiatives directed by all good people against the plague of abortion must be welcomed
I shall presume, though, that the expression "outside of politics" in the title of this thread means "in addition to what can be accomplished through politics" and not that political initiatives not be broached. I hope I'm correct in that presumption.
Abortion, after all, has been imposed on our nation so massively, by means of deviously skillful, political maneuvering. As the primary cause of the distressfully murderous circumstances our country now bears, the political inroads that have been made must be addressed in kind and reversed.
Please do not be of a mind to exclude from consideration, possibly viable discussion of attempts at political fixes for politically imposed injustices
The whole subject of "what are the answers to abortion?" allows of no simple fix. Yet the abortion side does have an Achilles' heel, I believe. It is the reality that 50% of citizens eligible to vote consistently stay away from the polls. Since "voting-shyness" surely isn't a characteristic one would associate with abortion ideologues, it would seem that if significant portions of these non-voters could be moved to vote, they would likely follow the truth of a message of life rather than the deceit used in selling abortion (the very word its admirers always avoid using).
Well, that's political, isn't it?
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's". Caesar has invaded God's realm, the realm of life and love. ("Love your neighbor as yourself"). Caring about (love of) that neighbor, the unborn, cannot neglect to try to restore Caesar's disordered house: his house of politics.
Peace, Jakes
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Revelations is much more complex, beautiful and hope-filled than simply "doom is coming." The events you posted above, as well as all the events of Revelations already happened (during the destruction of the Temple around 70 AD), continue to happen to the Church, are happening in each person's life, and will happen as well. I find it very unCatholic in interpretation to take only the doom-and-gloom approach to Revelations. It is too shallow.
That being said, I fully agree with you - prayer and fasting are the answers to such evils in the world.
Peace
The book is overlayed, chapters 1 to where the last seals is opened is the third heaven where God dwells. where the 7 trumpets are blasted are the second realm of heaven or the second heaven. the 7 vials are the first heaven.
So from top to bottom they descend. When you read chapter 6 it's brother chapter is 13 and 14. A great light will come soon and release poor souls from the captivity. This a prophecy in an old testament. Isaiah and a few others.
Read Ephesians
6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places. High places, or heavenly places... That is to say, in the air, the lowest of the celestial regions; in which God permits these wicked spirits or fallen angels to wander.
The devil will be booted from this level to the earth. The devil's wicked spirits are still in the air. St. Paul came after Christ rose from the dead.
Not during Christ's life on earth. St. Paul also had a "Revelation" like St. John's Revelations and so did the other apostles. They each were given the vision of the future because they are apostles.
Peace
See Satan is like that spider that is laying its snare from that tiny branch to this stem. It is so thin and treacherous! Look how that cobweb shines. It looks like the silver of impalpable filigree. It will be invisible at night and at dawn, tomorrow, it will shine with gems, and imprudent flies, which roam at night looking for unclean food, will fall into it, as well as light butterflies, which are attracted by what shines..
Well, My love does, with regard to Satan, what My hand is doing now. It destroys the cobweb. Look now the spider runs away and hides. It is afraid of what is stronger. Satan also is afraid of what is stronger. And what is stronger is Love.
Would it not be better to destroy the spider?
It would be better. But the spider is doing its duty. It is true that it kills the poor little butterflies, which are so beautiful, but it exterminates a large number of filthy flies, which carry diseases and infection from sick to healthy people, from corpses to living persons.
But in our case what does the spider do?
What does it do? It does what your good will does. It destroys tepidity, apathy, vain conceit. It compels you to be vigilant. What makes you worthy of prize? Struggle and victory. Can you win if you do not fight? The presence of Satan compels continuous vigilance. Love, then, Who loves you, makes his presence not necessarily harmful. If you keep close to Love, Satan will tempt but he will be rendered unable to cause real damage.
Always?
Always. In great and little things. For instance, a little thing: he in vain advises you to take care of your health. A treacherous piece of advice to try to take you away from Me. But Love holds you tightly, and your pains become of no importance even in your eyes.
Peace
To get from point A to point B in the scriptures we have to "fill in the blanks". Thus we use Old Testament prophecies.
Jesus is Grace and Peace, Light and Strength. He performs the "healings" He "cures", He sets people free, Thus when Jesus comes to conquer He comes to conquer sin and Satan, all the kingdoms of this world will become His kingdoms, and in order to do that He has to kick Satan out of realm of the "air" which, says He who has the higher ground wins. This is a war strategy term.
Peace
The laws are not the problem. It is the hearts of the people. People we know and love. It is not the law that makes people have abortions, it's the hardness of their hearts. It is not that evil has overtaken our society, as much as the good of the world is too afraid to stand up and be seen.
My feeling is the we are wasting our time by trying to change the laws, unless we first try and change hearts. There's no use in trying to legislate virtue. Instead, you must create a society where abortion is not considered useful or necessary. There are those who will say that the laws must be changed, and I am with you on this fact. But laws are the will of the people, plain and simple, and if you want to change the laws that's where you have to start. It doesn't work the other way around.
I believe in the Pro Life movement. I do. And like you, I have come to see its limited effects in politics. Instead, I believe it is best for us to take the advice of Jesus Christ, who himself tried to change the laws of his day amongst the Jews and the Romans, and did so by speaking to the people who needed to hear his message the most. The poor. The young. The hungry. The same people who consider abortions. Jesus did not try to amend the Constitution, nor would he if he were alive. He instead would help those around him. And his example would speak louder than any law ever could.
So that is my answer, albeit a bit obvious. I too believe that if we are to look to politics so save lives, we need only look to what happened to Jesus to understand why he never ran for office.
God Bless,
NT
Internate,
Good, but remember the driving forces (plural) of the Benedictine order, Ora et labora.
Pray by all means! For there is no substitute for the justice and mercy of God. But also WORK, humanly, with your own personal effort to help correct the unholy things man does, constantly, in violation of God's commandments and His mercy.
Abortion, of course is one of the unholiest of man-initiated debasements of God's commandments: particularly of His Great Commandment, which underlies everything good and includes "Love your neighbor as yourself".
Are we to remain silent and immobile - lest some secularists might call us "political", oh, horrors! - while 50% of Americans eligible to vote unjustly fail to take their - almost effortless - opportunity to vote (in love) to help stop the (politically engendered) slaughter of 3,000 plus, each and every day, of our neighbors: innocent, defenseless unborn human beings in the womb? And don't forget the mothers of so many of them, brow-beaten to give the order to abort their own!
Why are they so brow-beaten? Simply because - POLITICALLY - they have been DESIGNATED as the legally authorized agent to order the destruction of their own - behind whom aggressors of abortion hide and are shielded, while the women give the order and bear the mental grief.
Speaking of GRIEF. GOOD GRIEF, HOW CAN WE NEGLECT ANY CURE FOR THIS ABOMINATION - whether PRAYERFUL OR POLITICAL?
WAKE UP, GOOD PEOPLE!
Peace, Jakes
Good morning, Jakes---just back from our Saturday prayer at our "local" abortion mill. Happy to report that we had a larger than normal crowd praying there--plus about 10 seminarians.
We certainly aren't politically correct, standing/kneeling, praying in 20 degree weather. May not have had any "saves" this morning but seeds were certainly planted for "saves" in the future. Keep up the good fight Jakes. It won't be this way forever.
Jesus, I Trust in You!
OaJ,
Thank you, whom God will surely bless.
Peace (and warmth), Jakes
well said. that is it in a nutshell.
the world of money and those who live by it's rules are fooled and fooling others. Rich and Powerful.
the world of poor, dejected, humble or not, see the misers up top
not helping these poor, but helping themselves. Greedy, too good for the poor dirty people, who are the same, just they have no expensive bathtubs, luxurious washing machines, high grade HVAC systems and so on. The rich were given there state to share and help others who are not so well off. To help your fellow man, who is your neighbor. Judgement day is around the corner.
anyone can see that he who raises money for a campaign is only in it for themselves. So why do people vote for misers? They are all misers none of them care really for the citizens who pay their salaries. Instead
they want more of your money by increasing Taxes another dirty word for the Rich and Powerful.
Time to wake up and smell what's burning under your sockets.
I live two shakes and a twitch from the capitol. I see, smell, and hear all kinds. Been there seen it. Nothing new always putting a new spin on something that has been fooling millions for years.
And now all they're doing is making people increasingly angry. Oldest game in the book. make someone mad. how silly.
Stop and think: do you really think 100 to 250 people sitting in the capitol are actually going to manage 280,000,000.00 people?
And don't say your locals are taking care of that. What unity? None.
What did Moses father-in-law say to Moses about being the "judge over this great many people" and they didn't number in the millions like we have here.
One president is making countless promises to 280,000,000.00 people.
Yeah right. don't be so naive. Get your head out of your fourth point of contact.
They already know what it takes to keep a society gone in multiple directions in line. That's next.
Peace
Abortion became a legal and political issue when the United States Supreme Court legalized abortion in 1973 through Roe vs. Wade. We are not wasting our time in our efforts to change the law. The 2008 Presidential will determine whether we can build upon the Bush Pro-Life legacy or whether future Supreme Court Justices are nominated by a Pro-Abortion President.
In my state Pro-life Democrats are circulating a petition for the Democratic Party to remove abortion rights from their plank. It’s a positive way for Pro-Life Democrats to plead and express their deep concern about abortion to Democratic Party officials. I feel that Republican Headquarters should receive a similar petition from the people of our state since too many Republican politicians are ignoring the Republican plank that opposes abortion.Pray, fast, and be a witness to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
“A country that kills its children has no future.” –the late Pope John Paul II
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