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wljewell - Member
God loves you . . . . the good Lord knows that I AM 'losing it'. Are we worried over politico divorce rates? How about the minimum wage? (Of an economic fact, whatever that is?) How about ‘true’ . ‘government’ . ‘reform’? (A classic if rare double oxymoron) Permit a break – a big griping aside! How anyone can vote any Democrat into office has me amazed. Every such political creature knows his party’s planks about permitting the living to lord it to death over the most-vulnerable unborn human person. Even the local Democratic creatures know that if they don’t ‘walk that plank’ they will have trouble with the national Party and its owning minions. Oh, I am aware that that taint is seeping into the Republican Party – witness Rudy Giuliani. But, how do you vote Democratic, anymore, at all? At least, Giuliani knows that the Republican social-issues base doesn’t like him. Can you say that about the Democratic Party contenders? Back to ‘losing it’ . . . there is no ‘dream team’ for Prexy-2008 of those whom I see running with much chance of election. Already, Fred ‘Ooo-he’s-on-TV’ Thompson is being compromised as a real conservative. Fred loves gun control. Which to me runs toward violating the Second Amendment. And, that frankly when we might just NEED the citizens’ right to bear arms expressly protected by the Second Amendment. Brownback and Huckabee are non-starters, without some change in 'the political climate'. Ron Paul has the finest credentials, but little coverage among any media. Besides, he can sound or at least be made to sound like Goldwater-’64. (Yes, I am dating myself – part of ‘losing it’, perhaps.) The facts are that we just may be in worse shape than we can imagine – about which, read this (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21285) . . . IF the link holds Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
In 2008 the Democrats will take over the Government.  If there is still a country left in 2012, the Democrats will be thrown out amidst double digit inflation, intrusive Government, mind-control, and who knows what else.  Is there any chance that a write-in campaign for Brownback could be energized using the web?
Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
grumpybumpas - Member

(New kid on the block,just waiving a hand.)

 

 (Term limitations.)

   A vote against every incumbant in every election would give us term limitations inspite of our polititions if not because of them and would go a long way towards breaking up the Washingtom good old boy syndrome.

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Welcome Grumpybumpas - be aware that if you leave the game with your football, you still leave all your scores and fumbles behind for all to see - hang around and play well - Sounds like a new political party, grumpy - NTNTNUTTAT - the notnotnutats "Not them next time, and not us the time after that" party - Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
grumpybumpas - Member

(New kid on the block,just waiving a hand.)

  (Fighting back.)

 if all the employed people in America with the exseption of energency personel were to call in sick next Monday morning we would have millions of millionairs,ivestors,etc,etc,etc, jumping out of windows all over the country on Tuesday like thay did in 1929. We could clean up the streets on Tuesday and start all over.

Posted 1 year ago #
bhokuto - Member

not a bad idea for corrupt system, a way to crash it.  Many have said this in the past.  but none are willing to step out.  It probably would only put a minor dent, then it's back to the same ole.

The real issue is the "insecurity" which is well organized by the backing group.  Keep the chaos to keep people off balance.  That's the ole story.  It's coming from every direction so people finally say, if I don't work for week, the bad guys will come and take over. 

Imagine America with empty offices. The highways and vacation spots would be full and not to mention airports, trains, buses and gas stations.  I can picture it now the young folks out, the old folks watching tv in there favorite spot. 

The well organized interest rate drop back a few years has caused untold foreclosures.  The high mortgages, causing price reduction just to sell the homes.  Sad story. American government causing Americans to cheat each other through bad business deals. For a selfish cause.  Life in the crash lanes.  Crash, the toilet has been flushed, the water is whirling around the bowel towards the drain at a fast pace.  When the water is gone a new way has to begin for the next flush.

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
To: GrumpyBumpas & BHokuto

You are both losing sight of reality.  BHokuto only slightly less so.

Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . I was being flippant because there is no 'reality' about Nov.2008 to which I can or will react. I will only go so far as to say that pre-election and post-election 2008, we are going to be given terrible manifestations that we are at war with the lowest of barbaric groups. At this point, personalities are of little consequence on that. For now, I am realizing that once again, as in the last few election cycles, I find no candidate for whom I would spend what energies and resources I have. For most, there is just too little about principles and issues upon which to hang my choice for efforts. Then again, of course, there are several candidates who have eliminated themselves over life issues. It is the rest, as yet 'viable', upon whom I wait for substance. Term limits, by the way, are a decent band-aid, but no solution when there seems little principle about with which to deal, as bhokuto alludes. Remember, I love you, too Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
I wish to repeat my question about Brownback.  Any chance an internet campaign could bring him success?
Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic [Latin rite] & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
Ignatian77 - Inactive
I couldn't agree more. The Democrats, despite their good intentions, are confused and indecisive. I suspect they'll make a terrible mess of things, given the grave challenges America faces, especially her Middle East wars. 
Posted 1 year ago #
KenB - Member

Well, old Hillary (or Shrillary as she is known in some circles; I sometimes call her Shrillary the socialista) somehow reminds me of what I have read about Argentina's famous Evita Peron, although I suspect her husband Juan actually held and practiced better private morality than Bill did.

: )

Posted 1 year ago #
KenB - Member

And I have noticed that while Democrats love to boast of their good intentions, they chaffe noticably when anyone tries to examine the results of their programs.

I am a union man, and while socialists, communists and union folks all start from the same point and agree that the worker deserves a fair deal, Union people quickly part company with socialists and communists because the socialist and communists' solution is to impose an over-arching ideology that incorporates economic socialism and seriously limits freedom of expression and most notably, does away with freedom of religion, replacing God Almighty with the state. 

Union men on the other hand, stay away from grand theories and/or ideologies and instead prefer to boost the living standard of various workers by group or category (e.g., electrical workers union, the auto workers union, the carpenters union, etc.) by working within the Capitalist framework by dealing honestly, frankly and directly with the bosses, and trying to cut the workers (i.e. the union members) a fair deal, and by staying within the bounds of the United States Constitution, which of course confirms every man's God-given right of freedom OF religion (not freedom "from" religion, as some leftists seem to think it says). 

Honestly, since the late 1800's, Trade Unionism has done more to improve the lives of tradesmen, craftmen and other workers than any socialist or communist revolution ever did and importanly, it did so with no loss of civil or religious freedoms and with far, far less (indeed, orders of magnitude less) violence and/or loss of life.

Certainly most socialists and communists have good intentions, but the price they ask for their ideal of a workers' utopia is far too high.  And now I fear that the once great Democrat party, once famous for supporting Union Labor, is beginning to drift inexorably to the Left, more toward secularism obviously, but also recently it seems more toward socialism, while still claiming (maybe honestly so) to support the workers.

This is a big subject indeed.  To simplify my view; I prefer Catholic social justice notion that because God created man in His image and with an immortal soul, life is sacred and precious, and that the ends can never be used to justify the means.  Finally, when it comes to faith and morals, I always agree with whatever the Vatican says.  Even if I at first do not understand or think I disagree, I keep an open mind and take the time and make the effort to understand what the Pope is talking about.  Eventually I either come to see the reasoning, or I set my mind to follow Rome and try to figure it out later.  

And I always keep in mind what my Mom always said; that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
Re: my Brownback post Consider it repeated.  Responses? Anyone.
Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic [Latin rite] & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

Pouliot, without the backing of a major political party, people's hands tend to click party lines, he will garnish votes but not enough to win. Monumental is the task of overvcoming the perceived inability of a "Christian" Republican president.

An internet campaign would prove helpful, in my mind, of bringing awareness to who and what Sen Brownback and his ideals represent.

I have provided a link to his website.

Brownback for president!

http://www.brownback.com/s/

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

So much for an internet campaign, Sen Brownback has removed himself for consideration...

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
Dspencer - Inactive

Get used to this, friends.  The next decades will be filled with no good options.  Not exclusively--but primarily.  The family, marriage, free speech in pulpits, hate-speech extensions, etc. will come to ravage the patrimony we have received in the west from the Catholic Church.  We must fight the good fight as best we can without any compromising of truth.  Better to live blameless before our High Priest than bow to political expediency.

There are many who have lived and died in troubled times. We must work and pray for just and good society--but expect little in return.  Better to enter heaven blind....

Blessings to all. 

Posted 1 year ago #
KenB - Member

I live near Sacramento CA, and in one of the neighboring parishes, the priest has been brought up on trumped-up charges of abuse.  Now, this guy is a fine man and everyone - and I mean everyone - involved knows he is innocent and that the whole ordeal is being driven by a deadbeat and his lawyer, both of whom are just looking for a quick dollar.

Even the local and area newspapers, who usually love nothing more than a chance at a good Catholic bashing session, are supporting this good man's innocence.

Sadly, I think this sort of thing will probably continue as a quasi-legitimate way of be-basing the Church, and indeed may escalate as a means of putting or keeping Roman Catholics "in their place".

 

 

Posted 1 year ago #
pouliot - Member
Re: David T. Garrison's's post:
"...Brownback has removed himself for consideration..."

There's always the write-in option if the nominees are morally unacceptable.

Unfortunately I have been told that Brownback had some baggage that hasn't yet surfaced.

I don't like being in a position where I can't vote for any nominee of the parties because they are all flawed.

What's the name of that clergyman on the west coast that seems to be falsely accused?  Maybe we should write him in.

Regards,
Old Sigma (Cradle Catholic [Latin rite] & generally inveterate amateur)
Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

pouliot, welcome back - it is a shame, and I can not in good conscience vote for anyone if none are of sound moral character...will there ever be such a candidate?

Remember, the Sun is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Well - some time back I wrote MY name in about our local federal Representative - a rubber-stamp Democrat of the usual order of things. Feel free to use my name in vain our very next November 4. I think that, generally, it behooves us to think in terms of 'who won't be the worst choice' in any office on our ballots. Even 'the best choice' will always be a mixed bag over the next two, four or six years of wrestling with issues, policies, Congress, the courts, Beltway and party politics, etc. Because, after all, what we have for choices essentially amounts to God's will for us. His will is more apparent in outcomes than inputs, anyway, and He anticipates that we can and needs must adapt as we can to His will. All that noted - it is a dreary crew, when one of twenty vying for our next Presidential leader makes some point about UFOs, and his whole party is beholden to all manner of far-socialist and culture of death moonbats. The front-runner in the other party, a former near seminarian, plays liberal tunes, including musical marital beds. There isn't much use in saying that 'the best candidate is this from that one and that from this one' because that candidate doesn't exist. And, what can you say of an electorate so dense as to vote a party out of offices for, just about wallet issues, being big spenders while looking to vote in a party known to be just as big, and worse, spenders and taxers? Just as dreary a crew are in the ballot boxes, even as I marginally trust a fellow common voter more than a party politician. That 'shining sun' just may find me folded into the fetal position, sucking my thumb - at least, until called upon to give a primary vote. Remember, I love you, too . In the Suffering of Christ, and in His hope of His Resurrection, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
Posted 1 year ago #
David T Garrison - Inactive

Warren,

I agree with you that [that] candidate does not exist. However, I will not vote for one that does not hold him or herself up to higher standards of morality than say; a moonbat. Having said that, I will pray fro the conversion of all men and women in elected office and those that govern other people to respect life and honor the One, True God.

Remember the Son is always shining!

Posted 1 year ago #
LiveBlueForever - Inactive

Just a quick note concerning the Second Amendment.  That Amendment was put in there specifically for the State Militia's to take up arms against the federal military.  It is meant for individual firearm owners as in that time the Militia's were able-bodied men who owned their own gun.  A standing federal military that superceded the power of the State Militia's was never an intention of the writers of the Constitution.  However, in 2007, we all know that such a force is needed but always remember that the Right to Bear Arms is the single reason we are free in this country. 

 

Two things that every American needs to have and use daily, if at all possible, is your Bible and your gun.  They are the means and the end of living free and having a place to worship God.  Call me a redneck but like I said, your Bible and your gun will be the two most important possessions you will ever own in this lifetime.  Just like the old credit card commercial says, "never leave home without 'em."

 

Joseph Bailey

Posted 1 year ago #
wljewell - Member
God loves you . Well, L.B.F, do get your license to carry . . . The Second Amendment is our guard against any forceful tyranny to have its way easily with us. I am primary protector for my communities as a gun 'expert'. And, all our founders wanted us to be gun 'experts'. One revolution against a tyrant under their belts, they wanted Americans ready for any next such critter(s). Secondly, we are to be primary protectors of our communities against crime. I confess that I trust my ability to defend myself more than my police forces to 'serve and protect', which they seem less able to do than 'investigate' - a term which means the crime has already been committed. Statistics show that well-armed communities are lower-crime communities. Criminals tend to be outright fools, but that does not mean that they aren't self-protective, themselves. You see, you and I are the militia; we are our national guard; we become the army called to the defense as needed. In WWII, the career army had about 25,000 souls; the rest were volunteer citizen soldiers who heeded the call. We are blessed that our current 'volunteer' regular army, even to its careerists, would more likely stand with us militia folk in the face of some home-grown tyrant. And, I can see a few such tyranny-ready yucks among our roster of Presidential candidates - all 'for your own good', of course. And, frankly, the 'law enforcement officer' who comes for my gun will be carrying the bullets that were in it very personally. Plus, I may need to die for my faith, but it sure helps a few others down the line, later, that the persecutors have been reduced in numbers, compliments my own before I go down. Freedoms and guns (and prayer) go hand-in-hand - thus, the vigilance about our freedom. And, for me the freedom to be a Catholic Christian is second to no other. Remember, I love you, too . In the Suffering of Christ, and in His hope of His Resurrection, Pristinus Sapienter (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or ... yahoo.com)
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