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Does God Mess Us Up?

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  • Started 2 months ago by noelfitz
  • Latest reply from ricella

noelfitz - Member

As you know the priest at the Mass I go to has very stimulating reflections.

Today he was talking about Jeremiah and Isiaah - how God chose them against their wishes.

He mentioned that 50 years ago he told a Protesatant friend in his Rugby football club he was thinking of becoming a priest. The friend sail "why would you do that. You will miss your Rugby friends and the social life and recently your play is improving, but if God wants to mess you up,I suppose he has the right to do so". The priest thought this was a very profound theological insight and no Pope or theologian could not put it more accurately, even if the words were different.

The priest did not use the word "mess" from the altar, he used a more earthy word, which might offend delicate American susceptibilities.

The priest ended the Mass with the words of Hilaire Belluoc:

"Mary, help of the half-defeated, pray for us".

God bless,

Noelfitz.
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Posted 2 months ago #
lpioch - Moderator

It depends on who gets to define "messed up" and "fixed." Us or God.

Posted 2 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

A more polite way to express the idea this wonderful priest was trying to get over is the words of Cardinal Newman (which we recite at every meeting of the Newman Society of Ireland):

"God has created me to do Him some definite service; He has committed some work to me which he has not committed to another... Therefore I will trust Him. Whatever, wherever I am, I can never be thrown away. If I am in sickness, my sickness may serve Him... still he knows what he is about"

You see the priest at Mass has very deep thoughts that he expresses in provocative ways that makes one think and reflect on our faith.

There are some who think he is wonderful and others who cannot stand him.

It is obvious where I stand.

Sometimes I wonder do I admire him because I share his prejudices or has his preaching converted me to his way of thinking?

God bless,
Noelfitz.
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Posted 2 months ago #
laurak - Member

Why can't a priest play rugby - and have a full social life?

Protestants never understand why a priest would want to give his whole life to God.

Maybe this priest prefers to play rugby in heaven one day - with ALL of his friends.

Laura K.

Posted 2 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Laura

Thank you for your reply.

In the seminaries in the old days the regimes were strict.

Seminarians were not allowed play sport outside the seminary.

The priest became a brilliant golfer, having a very low handicap.

God bless,
Noelfitz.
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Posted 2 months ago #
fishman - Member

I love the forest.
Some people walking through pristine untouched forest look at it and see utter chaos. dead trees , scatter amongst living, plant randomly everywhere,
piles of leaves wild creatures running to and fro.

And I have to admit, that if you look only at the individual items within the forest , each of them appears very random in what it does and where it is.

However , if you take a step back and look at the forest as a whole, as a system, you see that it is more perfectly ordered then the most well oiled finely tuned machine a human being has ever created.

God doesn't mess things up , not even when they die, never a mistake is made, and there is no such things as accidents, not really.

Posted 2 months ago #
wljewell - Member

How God 'messes' any one of us up is part of His call to that person to turn more completely to God.

In this specific call from God, such as suffering and/or sacrifice seem to make us a mess, but it is purely a temporal 'mess' to make for a very orderly and eternal salvation.

Posted 1 month ago #
ricella - Member

God did not mess us up our life for the reason to make us feel very bad for ourself. Things happen for a reason. Maybe God did something in our life which human see it as always mess to their life is because as what His planned.

No one knows what is the perfect reason. Only God knows. Let us remind ourselves that God gives good plan for everyone. If one our family member suddenly offer his/herself full to God, maybe the person will be the light of the family to lead the whole family to a better future life after dead.

So remember, everything that what God has done, have a good reason.

Posted 1 month ago #

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