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November 4 - coming too late and too soon

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wljewell - Member

Noelfitz rightly quotes the beginning of chapter 13 of Romans about obedience to human authorities as obedience to God Who establishes them. It is that the office (and civilization) deserves the respectful obedience if the man (or woman) has less than inspiring character. Don’t you wonder, too, though, if you can ask God ‘what have You got us stepping into now?’ As if following Jesus down a path just used by an extended camel caravan?

Every ‘expert’ out there has advice for the debates of the Presidential candidates. After this overly extended campaign, my advice would be: “Resign your candidacies, and let’s start over again.” Of course, with the total line of candidates we have seen, they would all need to resign and let some fresh blood and faces in.

I have noted that George Bush had more in common with Al Gore than with any of us – that this holds true among all political animals. Replace G.B. with B.O., and A.G. with J.M., and the statement holds.

Even so, in my memory, I can recall no prior election in which “selecting the lesser of two evils” seemed to apply so actually. The fact of the matter is that I (and some others I have talked to) find both candidates rather clueless for principled leadership; this, even setting aside Christian principles. I have less and less doubt that the U.S.A. is generally in for four awful years, what with the less-than-one-in-ten satisfaction with which we hold Congress. Come to think of it, the upshot just may include our ‘leaders’ doing everything to ‘set aside Christian principles’.

One goof is all for cutting spending even as he is better known for combating cutting taxes. The other will increase spending – by GOBS! – while giving “95%” of taxpayers a tax cut – this, even though 35-40% don’t even pay taxes at the moment, anyway.

One, admirer as he is of Mother Teresa holds little else of Christian principle. The other, our Congressional pro-child-murder poster boy, I question whether he has a Christian bone in him, with a half-brother living in Africa on a dollar a month! No, he’s not a Muslim – that frankly just could be an improvement on what he may be.

One may have his own personal ‘maverick’ political machine but he sure seems a kind of bad mechanistic joke, at that. The other is right out of the longest running corrupt political machine since Lenin-Stalin – Daley-esque Chicago-Cook County, from which I harken.

Both claim ‘bi-partisanship’ nearly transcendent of the partisan. However, for me, from experience, ‘bi-partisan’ means a possible conspiracy between the crookedly cynical and the nearly patentably feather-brained – and, both camps, fools, treating citizens like fools. Too very frequently, ‘bi-partisanship’ seems to mean ‘just send your bank account books to us and ignore what we do with the money’.

I would feel more comfortable if it seemed that all (or, at least 90% of) 435 Representatives and 33 Senators were about to be dumped for new folks, faces, ideas, etc. But, the sun will rise in the west before incumbents cease maneuvering to claim a spider’s worth of legs-up.

I confess that like the late Mike Royko, by far Chicago’s best pundit, I love mud-slinging between candidates – the better to get glimpses of both/all that we need toward making our decision. Politics, as the saying goes, ain’t bean-bag.

I just worry that we haven’t got time enough to get all the mud (camel doo-doo?) slung.

And, when they try to establish ‘who won the debate’, I get this feeling that the truest answer is ‘NOT US!

Posted 3 months ago #
DonHudzinski - Member

The bail out had pork. The pork went to one party and the bail out to the other, and the payment to the taxpayer. This is bi-partisanship at its best.

Posted 3 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

It is tough for us all.

We seem to be in difficult times.

I am reminded of the stories I heard from older people about the depression in the thirties. I am frightened by images of soup kitchens and huge poverty.

However I think those who have a vote should use it.

Perhaps prayer and trust in God is what is needed, as well as a bit of optimism.

"Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators" Will Rogers.

Posted 3 months ago #
wljewell - Member

Noelfitz, your quotations are ripening. I think the erstwhile Mr. Rogers (lariat, no sneakers and cardigan sweater) meant you'd find all three in exactly the same place.

Ah, yes, DonH - bi-partisanship - one confab to which taxpayers get no invitation. Increasingly, it seems, that would make the resulting legal constructions tri-partisan, eh?

Posted 3 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

We are perhaps heading into another Depression.

Here are another few quotes to help us on our way.

When the laws undertake... to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society... have a right to complain of the injustice to their Government (Andrew Jackson, 1832).

I believe and I say it is true Democratic feeling, that all the measures of the government are directed to the purpose of making the rich richer and the poor poorer (William Henry Harrison, 1840).

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

They used to tell me I was building a dream, and so I followed the mob,
When there was earth to plow, or guns to bear, I was always there right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream, with peace and glory ahead,
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread? ("Brother, Can You Spare a Dime," lyrics by Yip Harburg, music by Jay Gorney, 1931).

God bless,

Noelfitz.

Posted 3 months ago #
lpioch - Moderator

We need to focus much more on local politics.
How many of us think "eh...I don't know much of these people, but they're just going for city council. They don't have an effect on abortion, healthcare, etc."

Generally speaking, all these more local elections are stepping-stones to bigger, wider politics. We need to be much more careful and discerning in the LOCAL and STATE elections than we have been in the past. Because when we don't, all we are doing is sleeping through their rise to the top.

Posted 3 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Loretta

I agree fully with you. I think all of us, as well as we can, should become involved in our local communities and do what we can to contribute.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" --Irish Statesman Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
to do nothing".

God bless,

Noelfitz.

Posted 3 months ago #
michaelme - Member

Noel:

Your family continues in my family's prayers for whatever your needs may be.

"All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of things will be well.
St. Julian of Norwich

Something that I need to remember, too, during this election cycle.

In Christ,
Michael

Posted 3 months ago #
laurak - Member

The subject of abortion was never brought up in the presidential debate. I guess they thought it just wasn't important.

Borak Obama ignored two questions that were put to him. One question was asked about Medicare & Medicaid and he just ignored it.

The last question of the debate, he didn't even bother to answer the person who asked the question. He ignored the question totally, and used the opportunity to promote his own agenda. The question was something to the effect of: "what do you not know and what will you do about it?" To answer this question would require humilty and Borak Obama doesn't have any. John McCain answered the question with honesty and humility. Even if he doesn't have the same stage presence as Borak Obama.

Laura K.

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