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michaelme - Member

This is even more obscene than the title makes it sound:


Senator Obama said:

”"Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it's never been more important to protect a woman's right to choose. Last year, the Supreme Court decided by a vote of 5-4 to uphold the Federal Abortion Ban, and in doing so undermined an important principle of Roe v. Wade: that we must always protect women's health. With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a women's fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade. The next president may be asked to nominate that Supreme Court justice. That is what is at stake in this election.

"Throughout my career, I've been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.

"When South Dakota passed a law banning all abortions in a direct effort to have Roe overruled, I was the only candidate for President to raise money to help the citizens of South Dakota repeal that law. When anti-choice protesters blocked the opening of an Illinois Planned Parenthood clinic in a community where affordable health care is in short supply, I was the only candidate for President who spoke out against it. And I will continue to defend this right by passing the Freedom of Choice Act as president.”

If a candidate for the presidency saying this (with the possibility of the house's and senate's backing) doesn’t send chills up your spine…

The bill was re-introduced in 2007. Full list of co-sponsors as of last month here (you must select the "Show Cosponsors" link to view).

Make sure to read the links in full.

In Christ,
Michael

Posted 3 months ago #
michaelme - Member

If there has already been an article about this on CE, please link it in this section. I still can't figure out how this new site "works."

Posted 3 months ago #
wljewell - Member

Ridiculous - the interest in 'justice' never includes that for the unseen (as is God) baby and its 'health' or even its palliation during destruction is of no concern.

The bulk of Democrats have become barbarians, not even able to hear the vile flaws in their own rhetoric. I cannot for the life of me figure how pro-life Democrats can listen to this stuff over and over in political speeches, etc.

Posted 3 months ago #
MREINER16 - Member

I cannot say that I disagree with the conclusions that you and many others have reached about the Democrat party. I have personally found myself though now in the past few weeks moving more from being mad and even angry about their positions and the ever more likely election victory where they will control both the White House and Congress. Perhaps my mood is somber, but also has rekindled my prayer life because I firmly believe that our prayers are the only thing standing between us and a God who demands justice. Now, I am not a doomsday end-of-the world predictor, but I must say that there appear to be so many signs pointing to a major change ahead. We do not know the hour or time and nor should we dwell upon it. This is however, the time to reflect, a time to turn back to God, a time for personal conversion. Without personal conversion and family conversion, how can we ever see our nation converted? Our political and economic systems are corrupt. Much like when a computer becomes corrupt-there are not many good alternatives for fixing it. Despair, hopelessness, and violence is evil-it is where satan wants to lead us to. The world appears chaotic now-we have for too long depended on man and put our faith in material things. We have the power to change this through our prayer and our conversion or re-conversion back to God. In a year dedicated to St. Paul, perhaps God's greatest example of conversion, let us ask for his intercessation and let us pray that God continue to shower his mercy upon us and our nation as we all seek to reconcile ourselves to Him

Posted 3 months ago #
wljewell - Member

In prayer, we must also desire and seek to be used an instruments of blessings, gifts and real (as God is Real, and most Real) change.

I open another topic that has profound impact relative to such vile 'neo-Malthusians' as populate too many of our public-service ('The Public Serve Us') offices. See topic 'Demographic Winter', about to post . . .

Posted 3 months ago #
michaelme - Member

One thing about which Obama is clear and correct:

"With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a women's fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade. The next president may be asked to nominate that Supreme Court justice. That is what is at stake in this election." [emphasis mine]

But for this reason, neither of these two woeful choices for our leader over the next four years would have my vote.

I'm in full agreement with you two - that prayer for our country and leaders is our constant call.

In Christ,
Michael

Posted 3 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Michaelme,

I would suggest you vote. You may have to decide which candidate is the least bad.

Noelfitz.

Posted 3 months ago #
michaelme - Member

Noel:

I do intend to vote. I am just of the belief that we won't have a leader when the fanfare is finished.

In Christ,
Michael

Posted 3 months ago #
Jakes - Moderator

All,

In your conscientious concerns about politics and abortion, please do not loose sight of the reality that politicians are strongly bent in their support of issues by the strength and breadth of constituent attitudes and insistencies. Secondly, one person - the elected president - does not have full say about the abortion issue or any other single issue.

The point is that conscientious constituents of those seeking ALL elective offices need to strongly impress on ALL candidates seeking election that support of abortion by them will cost them such voters' support.

They need to be pressed to declare unequivocally now, their stance on life vs abortion and be told that should they be elected and support abortion in office that such voters' strong, continuing opposition to them will, if anything, accellerate.

There is a pool of 50% of citizens eligible to vote who - election after election - fail to vote. These are not abortion ideologues, else they'd surely be at the polls to make their influence be registered.

Just a small slice of that 50% can decide who the incumbents will be in office, after office, after office.

Put your thoughts together and figure out how we can draw them to exercise the justice of defending from horrible, inhuman slaughter each and every day in the US of the 3,000+ helpless, innocent unborn human beings in wombs that our laws permit to be slaughtered to their death. And don't forget the many mothers of unborn human beings who are browbeaten into exercising the (Catch-22) killing facility that our law lays upon them.

God's Greatest Commandment includes "Love your neighbor as yourself". Unborn human beings and their mothers are neighbors of us all.

Our electorate could easily rescue them, yet 50% of citizens eligible to vote won't even go to the polls. HOW CAN WE REACH THEM? DON'T SAY "WE CAN'T"!

Also, how can we reach others who vote for candidates without even giving a thought to God's Greatest Commandment to love, the foundation of all God's intent for human beings. (cf Mt 22:34-40)

Just think of it. Our nation brutally kills 3,000+ innocent human beings each day by abortion. What terrorist nation or cause kills so many? AND OUR ELECTORATE PERMIT IT TO CONTINUE!.

WHAT MIGHT WE DO ABOUT IT, thoughtful, conscientious posters?

Peace,

Jakes

Posted 3 months ago #
laurak - Member

Well, Jakes, my best friend is doing her part. She carries a supply of brochures that explains Barak Obama's position on abortion in detail. Everytime she passes an Obama sign in her neighborhood, she puts a brochure in their door. And everytime she sees an Obama bumper sticker on a car in the parking lot at mass at her parish, she hands the driver a brochure (personally, if possible).

We should start an email campaign, asking all our friends in our address books to do the same. Senator McCain doesn't have the same amount of money for campaigning, as Barak Obama, but the email chains could reach alot of people and it is free.

Laura K.

Posted 2 months ago #
Jakes - Moderator

Laurak, Thanks. Your friend’s initiative is commendable.

With parallel dedication and energy we must recognize that American politicians are impelled to act based on what they perceive to be strong dominant convictions of their own constituencies. No new president will be able to affect abortion, in either way, without support of many, many elected politicians.

Recognizing that, we must reveal strongly to all seeking political office at every level of government that the moral consciences of their American constituents detest the daily, gruesome (but legal) killing of more than 3,000 innocent, helpless human beings in their mothers’ wombs and detests, as well, the horribly compromised position a pregnant woman has inherited by being identified in law as the sole person, “legally allowed” to call for the killing of her own baby! In the shadows, many such women become victims of brutal terror imposed on them by unscrupulous persons (usually men) who want that child - “that bother” - dead and gone.

Americans must become fully conscious that each voter’s democratic entitlement carries a moral obligation to employ it to charge all politicians with responsibility to work for justice for two neighbors: the unborn human being and her mother.

The 50% of citizens eligible to vote who regularly fail to cast their ballots must be awakened to their responsibilities to these two neighbors. This 50% aren’t abortion ideologues, else they wouldn’t be staying home on election day. Voting by a small slice of them would make the difference. Double that small slice and we’d have a rout for changing America’s posture about abortion that no politician could ignore.

Peace,

Posted 2 months ago #

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