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Hey! Look! The Wind-bag is Tongue-tied!

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  • Started 2 months ago by wljewell
  • Latest reply from noelfitz

wljewell - Member

One writer has referred to it as “the some-people-say-X-but-others-say-Y-and-who’s-to-judge dance”. I get whiffs of this nearly-deadly, now-stale, always-polluted air nearly daily. It is like some stagnant pool in him that the person exhibiting “the steps to this ‘dance’” does not even know is there, let alone that it should be drained.

I first encountered such ‘sock-hop thinkers’ while teaching CCD. Parents would sit in on my classes, and, aloud in front of my students, one of their favorite questions was “How do we know Jesus Christ even existed?” First, I would note that the two-millennium existence of the Gospels and New Testament, and His Church to embrace these, attested to God’s urgent requirement for us to know and know of Jesus. But, too, more or less contemporary non-Christian historians like Josephus, a Jew, and Tacitus, Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, all Romans, have references that relate primarily to the Christians; but secondarily, of necessity, to Christ after Whom Christians are named. Even my pastor, who loved the ‘brilliant orthodoxy’ of my late wife and I, seemed amazed that I had such answer readily available. I noted to him that maybe even more than this parent or that, I doubted Jesus myself. It was out of search for the truth, and of course, He Who is the very Word of Truth, that I encountered this information.

More currently, such a one, cradle Catholic of similar education and age to me, questioned my questioning the less-than-Christian words of a third party, who wouldn’t even stop to talk about her words. I proffered to my critical listener that “To call a man ‘a fool’ may be an untoward step into God’s role of judge. But to call his actions and/or even his words ‘foolishness’ is attempt to push into truth . . .” I got the interruptive (need I say abrupt and annoyed) answer: “And, why should she have to care about the truth?” To the above ‘dance’, it seems, some would make small ‘hymns’ to self-deceit. And, over all this time, I have made sad note of how inadequately catechized Catholics are.

As I said, I get this plain mental pollution nearly daily. (It does seem to have been hatched and permitted to multiply since the culture of death rose to prominence in the 1960s and up until now.) The younger the other person, the greater the likelihood that he or she is rife with it; and, worse, so very precisely on culture-of-life issues. And, it does seem to have bearing on the practical atheism of so many persons. I am exhausted as to how to say anything but, frankly, avoid talking about anything at all serious with such a person. Have any of you happened upon a better solution, the result of which would be powerful evangelization?

Posted 2 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Warren,

You wrote:

I am exhausted as to how to say anything but, frankly, avoid talking about anything at all serious with such a person. Have any of you happened upon a better solution, the result of which would be powerful evangelization?

As you know I may differ with you on some points, but essentially as Catholics we agree..

To give up is wrong. I do not think it is in your nature ever to stop evangelizing in a positive way. One must discern, but one must keep hope (the supernatural gift kind of hope) and also realize change is possible (the 'conversion' type - change of mind - metanoia). Both of us are committed to the Church. When I was low your posts have encouraged me and helped build me up in the faith.

There are huge problems with evangelization on both sides of the Atlantic at present. We live in secular times. but so did the early Christians.

I am reading the Pope's book on the Fathers at present.

In it he wrote:

“But Tertullian, as every good apologist, at the same time sensed the need to communicate the essence of Christianity positively”.

Perhaps problems with catechists is that the Church is presented in too negative a light. The Gospel is the Good news. We should try to present Catholicism as attractive relevant and supernatural. We should try to bring back the 'Fallen Away'.

Sursum corda.

Posted 2 months ago #
fishman - Member

I agree we should preache 'the good news' but it is , after all, 'the good news' of 'christ crucified'. The problem with most moderns today is that they want to avoid suffering at all costs, because they view almost all suffering as unhealthy.

Why should be be forced to deal with the truth, because it is what is good for them, what is healthy for them, what is most loving to want for them.

Just like we should want the anerexit to eat , even if eating makes him/her suffer. Juas as we should want to obese to have the displine to overcome thier condition, even though disipline implies suffering. The good news is a news about how to suffer well.

In a society where death always seems only a remote possibility to most people , it is challenge to people to see the need they themselves have to suffer. Without it there is no holiness.

Posted 2 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Fishman

many thanks for your post.

I really do think we should try to be optimistic.

We have been saved by Jesus, after all.

I saw in a Church recently the 15th station of the cross. It was the Divine Mercy picture, representing both Divine Mercy and the Resurrection.

Please continue your prayers for me and my family.

Posted 2 months ago #
fishman - Member

The cross is the glorification of christ.
but Jesus put it best:
Blessed are the poor in spirit
Blessed are the meek
Blessed are those who are persecuted for my sake
Blessed are those who hunger for justice
Blessed are those who mourn

It is a very positive message, but does not compromise the cross, which is the danger the last generation after WWII fell into. I tend to call them Walt Disney thinkers.
No amount of education or postive thinking or positivism will save us. Only Jesus Christ can and will and that is a hard fact of life for some

Posted 2 months ago #
noelfitz - Member

Fishman

good to hear from you.

At Mass some days ago the priest spoke about the beatitudes in an inspiring sermon.

We have had two great feast days recently , all saints and all souls.

The priest reminded the congregation of how we can help each other, those on earth, in purgatory and in heaven, in the Communion of Saints.

I am concerned about the huge number of "Fallen Away" and "Cafeteria Catholics". Jesus came to save sinners - the lost sheep of Israel. Perhaps we should try to evangelize our fellow Catholics.

I am disappointed that some in CE seem closer to evangelical pro-life Protestants than to their fellow Catholics.

I would like to develop these thoughts more in the future.

Posted 2 months ago #

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